[08x02] May 14th, 2006

[mautzel]

Nice episode overall. The review of the Jaguar in the Yorkshire Dales was simply awesome, as predicted they returned to Buttertubs Pass for doing great amounts of the filming, sadly they already filmed this segment in winter, colours would've been soo much nicer two months later.

The Corvette review was about what I expected, the race with the canoe was okay, but nothing outstanding in my opinion.

I'm afraid but I don't relly see the point with the radio show - that probably would've suited better in a special episode like the winter olympics along with other things that aren't strictly car related.

But overall, a pleasure to view!

Comparison Buttertabs winter / spring (exact place only from a different view) :

[Burlap Sack]

The start was pretty cool with the Corvette review. The end with The Stig driving the Liana was the best thing on the show. The middle, though, was not that great. I mean sure the radio segment had its moments, but it was a soft middle.

[ejaymclane]

Originally Posted by gldude

Smoked? If by "smoked", you mean "virtual tie, to within a tenth of a second", but that's hardly what "smoked" means to most people. Heck, without the rubbish start, it would have beat it.

Here, let me restate it for you: "Except the Z06 essentially tied the Ferrari 360 CS's time around the track, even though it costs 1/3 as much."

Face it, it may not have the Ferrari "mystique", and I'll agree, but it *does* have the Ferrari performance.

And the bit about not having good street manners is rubbish. They're perfectly acceptable on the street. JC just had to find something to not like.

Speed is ONE aspect of what makes a supercar.

There is NO WAY you can compare a Z06 to an F430. Its a joke.

Americans only seem to consider straight line speed, quarter mile times etc

They dont seem to care about everything else that makes a car great.

Even if i had £60k i wouldnt buy a Z06, id rather buy a BMW or Merc, why buy a cheap, plastic car when 99% of the time you are going to be commuting, sat in traffic.....

Owning a Ferrari for me is nothing about impressing the general public either, its about how it performs in every aspect and how it makes you feel.

Plus, i refuse to hear advice in building a car from the country where the majority of people just want an automatic armchair to cruise in a straight line with.

[fbc]

Good episode - not the greatest TG ever, but still very good. The production values in this show just continue to blow me away - just incredible work by the team behind the scenes.

XK review was terrific - and not just for the content - the scenery and footage were amazing. Likewise the Z06 review - very impressive piece of work (the review that is, though the car is also a Very Good Thing - in fact even though it's noisy, and a bit basic here and there - I want a Z06, very badly - actually I think that fact it's a bit rough around the edges is what appeals to me)

The radio show wasn't quite what I was expecting - but still very funny stuff.

And Stiggie's time in the RPC -

Roll on ep. 3

[Rinmax]

The XK review was great made me proud to own an 81 Cortina.

[Byte]

Yeap...cool episode! Just finished DLing it and checked it out. I loved the comment on the 650! "...it's got a nuclear BOMB under the bonnet!"

True, the convertible looks "not so sexy" with the roof up, but I don't really agree with his judgement of the clutch. I've taken a manual and I can't find anything wrong with it...

[gldude]

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

There is NO WAY you can compare a Z06 to an F430. Its a joke.

Americans only seem to consider straight line speed, quarter mile times etc

Are you seriously implying that the Z06 is a "straight line 1/4 mile car"?

I'd have to chalk that up to serious confusion. It laps most road courses faster than F360's and comparable to F430's. It'll pull ~1.2G corners, has almost 50/50 weight distribution and the engine slid back for low polar moment. It's only real major problem is the runflat tyres.

It's one of the best handling cars in the world. Are there better? Of course. But not that many. It is in no way, shape, or form simply a 1/4 mile car.

I won't claim it's "better" than a F430, only that the Ferrari has some work to justify it's price differential given the lack of performance differential.

[ClarksonIsFat]

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Speed is ONE aspect of what makes a supercar.

There is NO WAY you can compare a Z06 to an F430. Its a joke.

Americans only seem to consider straight line speed, quarter mile times etc

They dont seem to care about everything else that makes a car great.

Even if i had £60k i wouldnt buy a Z06, id rather buy a BMW or Merc, why buy a cheap, plastic car when 99% of the time you are going to be commuting, sat in traffic.....

Owning a Ferrari for me is nothing about impressing the general public either, its about how it performs in every aspect and how it makes you feel.

Plus, i refuse to hear advice in building a car from the country where the majority of people just want an automatic armchair to cruise in a straight line with.

Ignorance and false stereotypes run amok on this board. It's truly saddening.

Please stop spewing mistruths from your rear orifice when you know virtually NOTHING about that which you speak.

I'm not even going to begin to tear into your post, but I do find it funny that you 16yr old fanboys constantly rave about how a Ferrari makes you "feel" when the closest you've come, or will ever come to owning a Ferrari is in your wet dreams.

By all means though, continue blathering on like you've actually driven one, owned one, or will own any car worth more than $5k in the near future. It's funny.

[ejaymclane]

Originally Posted by ClarksonIsFat

Ignorance and false stereotypes run amok on this board. It's truly saddening.

Please stop spewing mistruths from your rear orifice when you know virtually NOTHING about that which you speak.

I'm not even going to begin to tear into your post, but I do find it funny that you 16yr old fanboys constantly rave about how a Ferrari makes you "feel" when the closest you've come, or will ever come to owning a Ferrari is in your wet dreams.

By all means though, continue blathering on like you've actually driven one, owned one, or will own any car worth more than $5k in the near future. It's funny.

Yeah, whatever. Your post doesnt even address what ive said, just an attempt to belittle me.

Of course i dont own a Ferrari, if i did i wouldnt be on this forum.

Yet how can you say that a Ferrari doesnt make you feel a completely different way to a Corvette ....

Btw, i never said anything about the way a Z06 handled, i mentioned how Americans are obsessed with 1/4 mile times.

Ive read threads on F1 cars and had to read 'dumbass' Americans post how F1 cars 'suck' as a drag racer would 'own' them in a race or how drag racing is the true pinnacle of racing engineering.



Also, how exactly am i ignorant? Americans are renowned for caring little about the way their cars handle, they want a sofa on wheels. Just because a handfull come to this forum and know different doesnt mean that the other 295 million dont.




Btw, nice username, idiot.


(Also, if you are American, instead of crying into your pillow every week about how Clarkson and Europe hates US cars how about you stop watching Top Gear..........)

[SL65]

Both you guys - Your allowed to argue and disagree and shit but at this point, ejay, your not really constructive. Keep it sensible.

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Ive read threads on F1 cars and had to read 'dumbass' Americans post how F1 cars 'suck' as a drag racer would 'own' them in a race or how drag racing is the true pinnacle of racing engineering.




Btw, nice username, idiot.

[ejaymclane]

Originally Posted by ClarksonIsFat

Ignorance and false stereotypes run amok on this board. It's truly saddening.

Originally Posted by ClarksonIsFat

Arsemonky and other pompous crooked teeth, crumpet-stuffing, chinless wonders=OWNED.

Yeah, you dont use stereotypes do you

[SL65]

Finally after a Search, those comments were made in a completely different thread so excuse me for not seeing them I don't have time for this but don't make stupid comments like that in the future ClarksonIsFat or anyone for that matter.

[mpulztracker]

Does anyone else think the XK is not THAT pretty.... nor is the design language really innovative (unlike the Aston) ?
I think Clarkson was banging on a bit about nothing. The XK reminds me of the MX-5

or is it just me ?

[SL65]

Originally Posted by mpulztracker

Does anyone else think the XK is not THAT pretty....

It is a VERY nice car but I do think Clarkson overdid it. Its not that pretty. He should have saved that rave review and cinematography for another car in the future perhaps.

[andyhui01]

Originally Posted by SL65AMG~V12~612BHP!!!!!!!

Finally after a Search, those comments were made in a completely different thread so excuse me for not seeing them I don't have time for this but don't make stupid comments like that in the future ClarksonIsFat or anyone for that matter.

part of me is happy that I'm not a mod ... or maybe this is happening because I'm not doing the job stated in my tittle.

[ClarksonIsFat]

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Yeah, whatever. Your post doesnt even address what ive said, just an attempt to belittle me.

Of course i dont own a Ferrari, if i did i wouldnt be on this forum.

Yet how can you say that a Ferrari doesnt make you feel a completely different way to a Corvette ....

And what wonderfully insightful things have you said for me to address? You claim the Z06 is a "cheap plastic car" that "can't even compare to the F430". Great technical comparison there.

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Btw, i never said anything about the way a Z06 handled, i mentioned how Americans are obsessed with 1/4 mile times.

Oh, then I suppose we were to interpret this in some other way?

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Speed is ONE aspect of what makes a supercar.

There is NO WAY you can compare a Z06 to an F430. Its a joke.

Americans only seem to consider straight line speed, quarter mile times etc

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Ive read threads on F1 cars and had to read 'dumbass' Americans post how F1 cars 'suck' as a drag racer would 'own' them in a race or how drag racing is the true pinnacle of racing engineering.

Completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Nice try making a logical argument though. You're only further proving your ineptness.

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Also, how exactly am i ignorant? Americans are renowned for caring little about the way their cars handle, they want a sofa on wheels. Just because a handfull come to this forum and know different doesnt mean that the other 295 million dont.

You answered your own question. You're extremely ignorant for making a blanket statement such as "Americans want a sofa on wheels". Hey, I know! Let's judge an entire nation based on preconcieved notions! Give me a break.

Originally Posted by ejaymclane

Btw, nice username, idiot.

Further proving your ignorance. I'll chose whatever username I damn well please whether you like it or not. You must be very angry about living in your mom's basement to A) resort to uncalled for name calling and B)Search my username to find anything you can use against me. You must have very little going for you if this is how you spend your time.



Also, I may have said those things you quoted, and I admit they were a bit stupid, but it's not stereotyping. It was in response to those acting exactly as labeled. I called said people those words, I didn't sit here and make any broad assumptions about the people of another country, unlike yourself. The amount of anti-American elitism on this board is staggering, and it only makes the lot of you look worse for it.

[Kebab gud]

yay .. war of the 14year olds!

[teeb]

Originally Posted by gldude

Are you seriously implying that the Z06 is a "straight line 1/4 mile car"?

I'd have to chalk that up to serious confusion. It laps most road courses faster than F360's and comparable to F430's. It'll pull ~1.2G corners, has almost 50/50 weight distribution and the engine slid back for low polar moment. It's only real major problem is the runflat tyres.

It's one of the best handling cars in the world. Are there better? Of course. But not that many. It is in no way, shape, or form simply a 1/4 mile car.

I won't claim it's "better" than a F430, only that the Ferrari has some work to justify it's price differential given the lack of performance differential.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you say - heck, I think yuou hit the nail on the head. The Z06 is designed, and thrives, on the track - hence having great track times.

The 430, whilst partly designed for the track, isn't an all-out track car - hence the existence of the 430 CS.

To be honest I wouldn't want to have either of them on a commute or in a traffic jam, but the 430 would probably edge out the Z06 - you wouldn't have to deal with a gearbox that takes a former Mr World to budge, for starters, and I don't think staying in fifth throughout a traffic jam is wise, or good for the clutch!

Originally Posted by mpulztracker

Does anyone else think the XK is not THAT pretty.... nor is the design language really innovative (unlike the Aston) ?

Are you saying the Aston V8 Vantage has an innovative design language? o.O

The V8 vantage looks like, and essentially is, a shortened, squatter DB9, which in turn is a shortened, squatter, Vanquish. Yes, they're all very pretty but to be honest the innovation was in the DB7 and Vanquish, and now they're just copying themselves. To truly take another leap forward they need to start with a blank sheet, take elements of the current cars, for sure, but not produce something designed with tracing paper.

Now, the XK for sure isn't the most beautiful car in the world [though I think it looks good, the convertible with the hood down especially] but it is a big step forward from the previous XK. Previous XK = retro fetish, new one is more modern, even if the headlights do [as we're consistently reminded] look like a Ford Taurus.

[youngwarrior]

^^ Most houses in the UK havent got basements. Maybe lofts would be the better word

I think the Z06 arguments are because of how people word things. Americans will say its a supercar, whilst us brits who have the sagaris which is faster, wouldnt call it a supercar.

Both are cheap, both arent pleasant to drive everyday, and both will smoke 99% of the cars on the road.

[trionic]

I really really hate those artistic fast cutting blur shaky parts. Who are they trying to fool, anybody can understand that piaces are not in continuum and they dont have that much cameras.
Stupid gimmick and poor attempt to create illusions of happenings that really dont happen.

Cadillac BLS was left with quite ease, I thought they would rip all joy from it because its actually slightly modified Saab 9-3. And that sort of thing can easily be used in topgear style show to either mock Cadillac or Saab brands.