[09x02] February 4th, 2007 - Page 11

naylor83 · February 8th, 2007, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hungus

Pretty easy actually. AWD. The CCX has to put all of that torque to the rears only. Smoke and spin ensue...

Yeah, I guess that's it.

AnGuRuSO · February 8th, 2007, 03:39 PM

I think the biggest factor in the Veyron not breaking the lap record is the Stigs inhibition to take someone else Million Dollar car to the limit.

edkwon · February 8th, 2007, 03:54 PM

Much of the Veryon's power that will push it from 150 to 250 mph is essentially useless on the TG test track since its too short and too tight in the corners, thus putting the much lighter CCX at a distinct advantage when it pitches around corners. I think the Keonigsegg can brake relatively later around corners because of this and the Veyron can't really go that much faster in the straights because it'll have to start braking and slowing down earlier. So effectively its usable power on a small track isnt that much greater than the CCX.

Ed

naylor83 · February 8th, 2007, 06:44 PM

I was about to say that since the Veyron does accelerate faster (due to 4WD), it should in theory be faster round the track, but then I realized that the 4WD doesn't do much when you're already moving properly.

AnGuRuSO · February 8th, 2007, 07:49 PM

I can't remember where I heard this, but I think Rear-Wheel-Drive cars are faster than All-Wheel-Drive cars on a dry track. Probably something to do with controlled over-steer. Will this hurt the Bugatti?

naylor83 · February 8th, 2007, 11:02 PM

AnGuRuSO, it could be that. It could also be that they generally are lighter and loose less power when only driving two wheels.

But those are really only valid if you're comparing cars that are otherwise identical.

hungus · February 9th, 2007, 03:40 AM

RWD is faster around corners because the fronts are free to rotate at different revolutions. AWD cars force all wheels to rotate at the same speed, unless you can split the torque with a diff. But the AWD 16:4 would still be faster to 60 on dry or wet. Less wheel spin at launch and the Bugatti probably has bigger tires front and rear. Still, Nick Mason lent TP his F60 for a hot lap, and those are probably worth close to the Veyron's price tag by now.

MavT · February 9th, 2007, 06:25 PM

The Veyron bit gave me goosebumps... images/smilies/bow.gif

Blythy · February 9th, 2007, 08:46 PM

RWD is faster around corners because the fronts are free to rotate at different revolutions

I thought it was because the torque going through the rear wheels generated more slip (both perpendicular and parallel to forward motion), thus helping the car turn.

80ssportlover · February 9th, 2007, 10:53 PM

AWD's tremendous grip simply causes understeer which slows the car down around a corner just like a FWD car....thus making RWD faster. Thats my understanding of it images/smilies/wink.gif

Devon · February 10th, 2007, 02:25 AM

I just watched this episode yesterday and the James May/Veyron segment was a really great story. Well done to James for hitting 253mph!

Shawn · February 10th, 2007, 09:09 AM

I especially enjoyed his comments after he was done his run... he seemed genuinely speechless which isn't usually the case.

pepitko · February 10th, 2007, 05:52 PM

I was a bit surprised about James being speechless after the Veyron 400kmh run, since he wrote in the TG magazine this summer that it does not feel particulary fast... images/smilies/biggrin.gif

but anyways, James's part was great. The rest was really good too, and I liked that a star in a reasonably priced car was somebody who I know images/smilies/smile.gif

since I am not british..
I was looking forward to the new TT very much, but I was kind of confused, so is it any good or not?

Devon · February 10th, 2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepitko

I was looking forward to the new TT very much, but I was kind of confused, so is it any good or not?

Of course it is. images/smilies/smile.gif

skr · February 11th, 2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devon

Of course it is. images/smilies/smile.gif

Not as good as the Z4 Coupé, proven by Tiff and Jason Plato on 5th Gear images/smilies/wink.gif

They should have the taken the Z4 instead of the RX-8, would have made much more sense.

aloha62_2 · February 11th, 2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnGuRuSO

I think the biggest factor in the Veyron not breaking the lap record is the Stigs inhibition to take someone else Million Dollar car to the limit.

top gear utterly destroyed some guys old jag race car (d-type?) a while ago, guy was pissed not sure what came of it.

vikster · February 12th, 2007, 07:53 PM

hey ... does anyone have a link for the train crash .. and wat is this train crash ... who crashed and with what car??....

i thought the comment on the TT was not totally fair ... the TT looks really great in person and the Alfa does not give a feeling of being a chick magnet ... it wud probably suit a guy of 40 who is still not married and is out tos core on a lady of 47 ...

the Veyron is a masterpiece.. was kinda sad bugatti dint let it go arnd the track... Stig wud have loved it ..

hellrotbill · February 14th, 2007, 10:45 PM

I agree the Veyron bit was a thrill to watch. Good choice having the Pretentious Sunday driving James May to do the test drive. The Gallery was quite humorous and a bit different from the usual stuff. You can only smash and blow so many things up.

The Hugh Grant plug was a new low point. If that was the price to get him on then they should have passed on him. I disagree about the comments on the previous show. I really enjoyed the Jamie Oliver part.

Tobias · August 9th, 2007, 04:59 AM

When they were golfing, Jeremy called Richard's RX8 "chincey." Can anyone tell this American what that means? :-\

Necx0 · August 9th, 2007, 12:02 PM

Pronounced "Chintzey" although since its a slang term you can spell it however you like really.

Argh explaining slang is so hard.....ummmm sort of flash for the wrong reasons. They styled it for the sake of styling it sort of thing.....

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AnGuRuSO Joined: Aug 25th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Sydney, Astraya Age: 20 Posts: 1,107 Rep Power: 12	I think the biggest factor in the Veyron not breaking the lap record is the Stigs inhibition to take someone else Million Dollar car to the limit. __________________

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naylor83 Joined: Feb 20th, 2006 Last Online: October 25th, 2008 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	I was about to say that since the Veyron does accelerate faster (due to 4WD), it should in theory be faster round the track, but then I realized that the 4WD doesn't do much when you're already moving properly. __________________ http://davidnaylor.org/blog/

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AnGuRuSO Joined: Aug 25th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Sydney, Astraya Age: 20 Posts: 1,107 Rep Power: 12	I can't remember where I heard this, but I think Rear-Wheel-Drive cars are faster than All-Wheel-Drive cars on a dry track. Probably something to do with controlled over-steer. Will this hurt the Bugatti? __________________

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naylor83 Joined: Feb 20th, 2006 Last Online: October 25th, 2008 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	AnGuRuSO, it could be that. It could also be that they generally are lighter and loose less power when only driving two wheels. But those are really only valid if you're comparing cars that are otherwise identical. __________________ http://davidnaylor.org/blog/

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hungus Joined: May 23rd, 2006 Last Online: October 25th, 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	RWD is faster around corners because the fronts are free to rotate at different revolutions. AWD cars force all wheels to rotate at the same speed, unless you can split the torque with a diff. But the AWD 16:4 would still be faster to 60 on dry or wet. Less wheel spin at launch and the Bugatti probably has bigger tires front and rear. Still, Nick Mason lent TP his F60 for a hot lap, and those are probably worth close to the Veyron's price tag by now. __________________ Let me tell ya what Melba Toast is packin'. We got 411 positrack out back, 750 double pumper, Edelbroc intakes, Ford over-30, 11-to-1 pop-up pistons, Turbo-jet 390 horsepower. We're talkin' some fuckin' muscle.

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edkwon Joined: Nov 21st, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Lil Osaka Posts: 2,159 Car: Legacy GT Spec B '07 Rep Power: 21	Much of the Veryon's power that will push it from 150 to 250 mph is essentially useless on the TG test track since its too short and too tight in the corners, thus putting the much lighter CCX at a distinct advantage when it pitches around corners. I think the Keonigsegg can brake relatively later around corners because of this and the Veyron can't really go that much faster in the straights because it'll have to start braking and slowing down earlier. So effectively its usable power on a small track isnt that much greater than the CCX. Ed

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Blythy Joined: Sep 27th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Posts: 976 Car: Vauxhall Corsa SXi 1.2 Oh fuck yeah! Rep Power: 14	RWD is faster around corners because the fronts are free to rotate at different revolutions I thought it was because the torque going through the rear wheels generated more slip (both perpendicular and parallel to forward motion), thus helping the car turn. __________________

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80ssportlover Joined: Nov 8th, 2005 Last Online: April 8th, 2008 Location: San Jose, California Age: 25 Posts: 30 Car: Fiero GT and Scion tC Rep Power: 0	AWD's tremendous grip simply causes understeer which slows the car down around a corner just like a FWD car....thus making RWD faster. Thats my understanding of it __________________ Unofficial photographer of Silicon Valley Auto Group Last edited by 80ssportlover; February 9th, 2007 at 10:59 PM..

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Devon Joined: Jun 18th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Australia Age: 21 Posts: 2,230 Car: 2008 MY09 Subaru Impreza RX Rep Power: 24	I just watched this episode yesterday and the James May/Veyron segment was a really great story. Well done to James for hitting 253mph! __________________

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Shawn FG's Highest Paid Male Whore Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,322 Car: IS250 RWD Rep Power: 86	I especially enjoyed his comments after he was done his run... he seemed genuinely speechless which isn't usually the case.

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pepitko Joined: Jan 22nd, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Hlohovec, Slovakia Age: 22 Posts: 319 Car: '04 Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI Rep Power: 11	I was a bit surprised about James being speechless after the Veyron 400kmh run, since he wrote in the TG magazine this summer that it does not feel particulary fast... but anyways, James's part was great. The rest was really good too, and I liked that a star in a reasonably priced car was somebody who I know since I am not british.. I was looking forward to the new TT very much, but I was kind of confused, so is it any good or not? __________________ "pooooooweeeerr" well, not in my car, that's for sure

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vikster Joined: Feb 12th, 2007 Last Online: March 16th, 2007 Location: vienna/VA/USA Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	hey ... does anyone have a link for the train crash .. and wat is this train crash ... who crashed and with what car??.... i thought the comment on the TT was not totally fair ... the TT looks really great in person and the Alfa does not give a feeling of being a chick magnet ... it wud probably suit a guy of 40 who is still not married and is out tos core on a lady of 47 ... the Veyron is a masterpiece.. was kinda sad bugatti dint let it go arnd the track... Stig wud have loved it ..

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hellrotbill Joined: Feb 14th, 2007 Last Online: February 19th, 2007 Location: Shawnee/KS/US Posts: 4 Car: BMW e36 Rep Power: 0	I agree the Veyron bit was a thrill to watch. Good choice having the Pretentious Sunday driving James May to do the test drive. The Gallery was quite humorous and a bit different from the usual stuff. You can only smash and blow so many things up. The Hugh Grant plug was a new low point. If that was the price to get him on then they should have passed on him. I disagree about the comments on the previous show. I really enjoyed the Jamie Oliver part.

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