December 26th, 2004 - Page 2

Buba · December 30th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Don't know about that...

Maybe the Getz has less stuff coming with it in the basic version??? Don't know at all...

Buba

MXM · December 30th, 2004, 06:54 PM

Btw, when they reviewed BMW 1, they said it's slow, because of 1.6l engine. Clarkson said it in his times article too. But 1-series also have 2 liter engine, which DO get 0-60 in less than 10sec images/smilies/smile.gif

I checked it out, they do sell it in UK. He said 1.8d is 19300£, but 2.0 petrol starting price is 1000£ cheaper. Why did they only mention 1.6 and 1.8D?
TopGear does their conclusion based on feelings a bit too often...

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I hate 1-series too (mostly 'couse of looks), so no need to argue about it being good or bad car.

Getz · December 30th, 2004, 07:37 PM

Again for the personal opinions ....

I have a getz so I may be kind of bias images/smilies/wink.gif

The Polo is maybe better than the Getz then the cars are 5 year old ?

But i think the handling is better in the getz.

As for the details do you mean all the things there is missing in the Polo images/smilies/smile.gif

Buba · December 30th, 2004, 07:51 PM

If it has to be a 1 series, I'd go for the 2 litre diesel... 0-60 in 8 seconds, that's quite ok... Anything faster as a daily drive and I would loose my license in a week or so...

Actually I thought, that the Polo maybe has more saftey stuff onboard the basic version than the getz... But it was just a guess... I got a VW (Golf, though) so maybe I'm biased images/smilies/wink.gif

Buba

Getz · December 30th, 2004, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba

If it has to be a 1 series, I'd go for the 2 litre diesel

Never a diesel! Diesel is for trucks images/smilies/lol.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba

the Polo maybe has more saftey stuff onboard

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...ings.php?id1=1

They both get 4 out of 5 stars

Buba · December 30th, 2004, 08:06 PM

Ever tried a modern Diesel? My Dad has a BMW 530d, when its running at 30mph or more, you have to listen really carefully to hear its a diesel... And more than 400 NM right from the start isn't bad at all...
I like the diesel lown down pull and changing gears directly to the revs where the turbo REALLY comes to live...

Buba

Jostyrostelli · December 30th, 2004, 08:17 PM

MXM, I think he mentioned the 1.6 because that is in the price-range of other cars with bigger engines (same engine, faster 0-60 whatever) but was extremely expensive..

Getz · December 30th, 2004, 08:17 PM

Well I like Diesel to !

From Idel to 3-4000 rpm and then all the fun is away .... (this was in a VW tranporter TDI)

Then do the BMW have the peak power ?

Yak · December 30th, 2004, 09:03 PM

120d's engine is nice, but.. it's a diesel. It clanks when it idles, and the whole car shakes. And it doesn't feel sporty, although it has plenty of torque. You can't rev it images/smilies/sad.gif

Anyway, there are some problems with 1-series which they forgot to mention, like visibility. It's horrible, try reversing it and you can't see anything. Also, they didn't show how much space there is in the backseats. Probably because James couldn't get in and didn't want to show that images/smilies/wink.gif

- Yak

Bimmer · December 30th, 2004, 11:54 PM

If I lived in Europe I'd definately want a Diesel. BMW or Audi or VW will do for me images/smilies/smile.gif

and I'm the uber BMW fan.

Freude Am Fahren! images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

snq · December 31st, 2004, 12:21 AM

I kinda like diesels as well, I drove an old VW Jetta TD a couple of weeks ago and it was actually quite a fun drive.. Not sure how many HP it has but the thing doesn't weigh anything. We actually weighed it that day for registration and the whole car with half a tank of diesel was 926 kilos iirc.

In the snow it was great fun, especially in the city with a fresh 5 cm of snow.. Just put down the pedal in the corners and the back end of the car will start following the front sooner or later.. I'm used to RWD which requires me to be somewhat careful when it's snowy (which it is from november to april over here). Another thing that helped was that 1st gear was kinda hard to find so my friend who owns it told me to drive rally-style with it, and so I did, but not only when pulling away images/smilies/wink.gif

However I owned a MB 220D once (a -72) and that was less fun to drive. It didn't have any problems whatsoever pulling 2 tons of firewood tho images/smilies/smile.gif

Caveman · December 31st, 2004, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Getz = 10.495 euros
Polo = 13.125 euros

Not as much difference but I would take the polo instead of the Hyundai..
Maybe it's not a bad car but I have a feeling VW has a little more attention to detail..

That is REALLY cheap !
Here in Israel, a Getz will cost you around 100,000 NIS, which is about 25,000 euros....
I got my Fiat for 60,000 NIS which is 12,000 euros and it's second handed 2001 so....

Jostyrostelli · December 31st, 2004, 07:59 AM

Aii that's pretty expensive...you can get a really good second-hand Punto 2001 for under 9.000 euros here...A Getz is 25.000 euros? That is INSANE, whats the price for a BMW 316 petrol over there?

Viper007Bond · December 31st, 2004, 09:15 AM

As good as the Atom is, I think it perhaps would have been better to put a shell on it. Notice that as it drives around the track, it slides some. If it had a body, the aerodynamics would be greatly increases and probably more downforce, right?

Jostyrostelli · December 31st, 2004, 09:42 AM

But also more drag...which kills speed, I'm not quite sure if that's what the bodywork does, giving lateral airresistance, just put another spoiler on the front and on the back and that will help better I think...

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/imag...paper-1024.jpg

You see the black "bootlid"? I think that is there for the downforce

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200402/rouy_1076617037_ariel_atom_2__2_.jpg

Buba · December 31st, 2004, 11:37 AM

You mean it sucks in air through that little hole thing in the middle? Might well be...

The car isn't about really high speeds, I guess, more about handling and acceleration from 0 - 100 on small race tracks... Doesn't need the bodykit things maybe...

What would a shell weigh? 150 Kilo? Just squeez some more hp out of the turbo (the engine off course, but you know what I mean) and its up to it... images/smilies/wink.gif

Buba

Caveman · December 31st, 2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Aii that's pretty expensive...you can get a really good second-hand Punto 2001 for under 9.000 euros here...A Getz is 25.000 euros? That is INSANE, whats the price for a BMW 316 petrol over there?

Let's just say, that a new that a new one will cost around 300,000, which is umm 60,000 euros EEK !

And a Panda, which I was offered but didn't buy since it was too small compared to my Punto, is 70,000 NIS and that's like 14,000 euros

And if you want to buy a nice sporty car here in Isarel you'd have to have lots of money images/smilies/mellow.gif

For example, a new 911 is around 600k NIS (the basic 911) and that's around 120,000 euros !

It's because of the high Taxes we have to pay ....

Jostyrostelli · December 31st, 2004, 12:07 PM

BMW 316i € 29.140

Porsche 911 Targa € 117.000.

So if you drive a BMW 316i in your country you're "The man"?

Don't think I could handle that..

Buba · December 31st, 2004, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caveman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Aii that's pretty expensive...you can get a really good second-hand Punto 2001 for under 9.000 euros here...A Getz is 25.000 euros? That is INSANE, whats the price for a BMW 316 petrol over there?

Let's just say, that a new that a new one will cost around 300,000, which is umm 60,000 euros EEK !

And a Panda, which I was offered but didn't buy since it was too small compared to my Punto, is 70,000 NIS and that's like 14,000 euros

And if you want to buy a nice sporty car here in Isarel you'd have to have lots of money images/smilies/mellow.gif

For example, a new 911 is around 600k NIS (the basic 911) and that's around 120,000 euros !

It's because of the high Taxes we have to pay ....

Actually a 316i is more about 45000 Euros, if your 300000 are correct.

So, a 911 would be 90000 Euros in your country...
Calculations done by http://reisebank.de/sixcms/list.php?...ge=de_homepage

Still a lot of money

Buba

//edit: Also availible in English: http://reisebank.de/sixcms/list.php?...ge=en_homepage

Caveman · December 31st, 2004, 03:00 PM

Yes, I took 1 euro = 5 NIS, turned out it's almost 6...

Anyway, for the EP...
I can't view it, maybe my codec is outdated?
I did download the latest one few weeks ago...

EDIT:
Ok, got the EP working and that Atom is amazing !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

BMW 316i € 29.140

Porsche 911 Targa € 117.000.

So if you drive a BMW 316i in your country you're "The man"?

Don't think I could handle that..

Well, we see a lot of 3 series in Israel
But, if you turn up in an AMG, or a 7 series or a nice Porsche, you will be looked at (if you know what i mean...) images/smilies/smile.gif

However, American cars are extremely cheap here. A friend of mine got a 3.1 Litre Chevi Corsica for 15,000 NIS which is a lot of car for very little money. Plus, a GMC Suburban (sorry if i made any spelling mistakes) is just around 20,000 NIS

December 30th, 2004, 06:14 PM	#21
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 10:44 AM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 5,996 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 38	Don't know about that... Maybe the Getz has less stuff coming with it in the basic version??? Don't know at all... Buba __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

December 30th, 2004, 06:54 PM	#22
MXM old porsches do run! Joined: Jun 9th, 2004 Last Online: 04:13 PM Location: Finland Age: 26 Posts: 2,651 Car: Porsche 944 LFS Status: Rep Power: 31	Btw, when they reviewed BMW 1, they said it's slow, because of 1.6l engine. Clarkson said it in his times article too. But 1-series also have 2 liter engine, which DO get 0-60 in less than 10sec I checked it out, they do sell it in UK. He said 1.8d is 19300£, but 2.0 petrol starting price is 1000£ cheaper. Why did they only mention 1.6 and 1.8D? TopGear does their conclusion based on feelings a bit too often... P.S. Don't get me wrong, I hate 1-series too (mostly 'couse of looks), so no need to argue about it being good or bad car.

December 30th, 2004, 07:37 PM	#23
Getz Joined: Jul 23rd, 2004 Last Online: April 8th, 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Again for the personal opinions .... I have a getz so I may be kind of bias The Polo is maybe better than the Getz then the cars are 5 year old ? But i think the handling is better in the getz. As for the details do you mean all the things there is missing in the Polo

December 30th, 2004, 07:51 PM	#24
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 10:44 AM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 5,996 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 38	If it has to be a 1 series, I'd go for the 2 litre diesel... 0-60 in 8 seconds, that's quite ok... Anything faster as a daily drive and I would loose my license in a week or so... Actually I thought, that the Polo maybe has more saftey stuff onboard the basic version than the getz... But it was just a guess... I got a VW (Golf, though) so maybe I'm biased Buba __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

December 30th, 2004, 08:06 PM	#26
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 10:44 AM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 5,996 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 38	Ever tried a modern Diesel? My Dad has a BMW 530d, when its running at 30mph or more, you have to listen really carefully to hear its a diesel... And more than 400 NM right from the start isn't bad at all... I like the diesel lown down pull and changing gears directly to the revs where the turbo REALLY comes to live... Buba __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

December 30th, 2004, 08:17 PM	#27
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	MXM, I think he mentioned the 1.6 because that is in the price-range of other cars with bigger engines (same engine, faster 0-60 whatever) but was extremely expensive.. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

December 30th, 2004, 09:03 PM	#29
Yak Joined: Sep 19th, 2004 Last Online: October 26th, 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	120d's engine is nice, but.. it's a diesel. It clanks when it idles, and the whole car shakes. And it doesn't feel sporty, although it has plenty of torque. You can't rev it Anyway, there are some problems with 1-series which they forgot to mention, like visibility. It's horrible, try reversing it and you can't see anything. Also, they didn't show how much space there is in the backseats. Probably because James couldn't get in and didn't want to show that - Yak

December 30th, 2004, 11:54 PM	#30
Bimmer Joined: Nov 16th, 2004 Last Online: January 26th, 2005 Location: were do you live? Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	If I lived in Europe I'd definately want a Diesel. BMW or Audi or VW will do for me and I'm the uber BMW fan. Freude Am Fahren! __________________ BUSH SUCKS Not a true supporter

December 31st, 2004, 12:21 AM	#31
snq Joined: Dec 17th, 2004 Last Online: November 29th, 2008 Location: Sweden / About 50 km from the arctic circle Age: 30 Posts: 327 Car: 1966 Chevelle 454 Rep Power: 17	I kinda like diesels as well, I drove an old VW Jetta TD a couple of weeks ago and it was actually quite a fun drive.. Not sure how many HP it has but the thing doesn't weigh anything. We actually weighed it that day for registration and the whole car with half a tank of diesel was 926 kilos iirc. In the snow it was great fun, especially in the city with a fresh 5 cm of snow.. Just put down the pedal in the corners and the back end of the car will start following the front sooner or later.. I'm used to RWD which requires me to be somewhat careful when it's snowy (which it is from november to april over here). Another thing that helped was that 1st gear was kinda hard to find so my friend who owns it told me to drive rally-style with it, and so I did, but not only when pulling away However I owned a MB 220D once (a -72) and that was less fun to drive. It didn't have any problems whatsoever pulling 2 tons of firewood tho __________________ Too many cars..

December 31st, 2004, 07:59 AM	#33
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Aii that's pretty expensive...you can get a really good second-hand Punto 2001 for under 9.000 euros here...A Getz is 25.000 euros? That is INSANE, whats the price for a BMW 316 petrol over there? __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

December 31st, 2004, 09:15 AM	#34
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 01:29 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,988 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	As good as the Atom is, I think it perhaps would have been better to put a shell on it. Notice that as it drives around the track, it slides some. If it had a body, the aerodynamics would be greatly increases and probably more downforce, right? __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

December 31st, 2004, 09:42 AM	#35
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	But also more drag...which kills speed, I'm not quite sure if that's what the bodywork does, giving lateral airresistance, just put another spoiler on the front and on the back and that will help better I think... http://www.pistonheads.com/news/imag...paper-1024.jpg You see the black "bootlid"? I think that is there for the downforce __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

December 31st, 2004, 11:37 AM	#36
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 10:44 AM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 5,996 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 38	You mean it sucks in air through that little hole thing in the middle? Might well be... The car isn't about really high speeds, I guess, more about handling and acceleration from 0 - 100 on small race tracks... Doesn't need the bodykit things maybe... What would a shell weigh? 150 Kilo? Just squeez some more hp out of the turbo (the engine off course, but you know what I mean) and its up to it... Buba __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

December 31st, 2004, 12:07 PM	#38
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	BMW 316i € 29.140 Porsche 911 Targa € 117.000. So if you drive a BMW 316i in your country you're "The man"? Don't think I could handle that.. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

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