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Old January 2nd, 2008, 1:06 AM   #1
 
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Bloody Omaha

More than 60 years ago, the fate of the Second World War turned on five Normandy beaches. 'D-Day' was the greatest amphibious invasion ever attempted and is remembered as a great victory. But on Omaha Beach, it was very nearly a disaster.

History records that within hours, 2,000 men were cut down. But now, new research has found that, in reality, the casualty figures were more than double that.

The story of D-Day has been re-told in dramas such as Saving Private Ryan. But what really happened on Omaha Beach in June 1944? What was it like for the men who had to fight their way ashore there? And how did they manage to win when so much seemed to go so wrong?

The re-emergence of an entire German battery, hidden under the Normandy soil for over 60 years; the discovery of a captured German map; and the latest historical research all reveal a startling turning point to the story of 'Bloody Omaha'.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings..._4224_11809_60

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I read somewhere that there were troops from something like 11 allied nations involved in one way or another.

Fact: 2 x US beaches, 2 x British Beaches & 1 x Canadian.

On OMAHA beach there was a cockup with the DD tanks that were launched too far out and the wind and tide conditions plus the course that the tank crews were told to steer meant that only one Tank got there - no tank support = massacre on the beach.

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Don't understand Omaha, why a British program focus on that rather than Juno and Sword?
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It all went pearshaped on OMAHA, so it is more interesting, the other beaches were comparatively well planned and executed.

The situation was rescued by the determination, bravery and skill of the troops on the beach - I beleive that one US Destroyer 'disobeyed' orders and came right in shore and was instramental in saving many lives and gaining victory, providing excellent and accurate support fire.

EDIT/ USS Frankford

The Wiki is pretty good and corrects me on a number of points of detail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_Beach
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Don't understand Omaha, why a British program focus on that rather than Juno and Sword?
Bloody Omaha is called bloody for a reason. THOUSANDS of lives were lost in a matter of hours, it wasn't just the tanks that couldn't make it. The germans were supposed to have been much weaker but instead they were there in full force. I suggest you watch this if you really don't know the difference between ohama and any other landing beach.
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Hammond is useless in presenting docs, Clarkson cud do ti so much better...
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Hammond is useless in presenting docs, Clarkson cud do ti so much better...
agreed clarkson's really good at that. imo richard seems better at presenting entertaining shows. then again i don't think i've seen richard present such a thing so who knows he could be good at it.
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Hammond is useless in presenting docs, Clarkson cud do ti so much better...
I wouldn't call Hamster useless at docs. I mean I thought the Evil doc/entertainment show was brilliant.
But to be honest WWII should be left to mr. Clarkson and if Richard really does want to make a historic films he should stick to the middle ages (eg. the Holy Grail and the Gunpowder plot).
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if Richard really does want to make a historic films he should stick to the middle ages (eg. the Holy Grail and the Gunpowder plot).
i completely forgot about the gunpowder plot show. he did a really good job at presenting it. now i'm really looking forward to this doc.
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I don't think I've seen him do any aside from the evil one. I love clarkson's though.

Can anyone tell me where I can get the gun powder plot show?
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I don't think I've seen him do any aside from the evil one. I love clarkson's though.

Can anyone tell me where I can get the gun powder plot show?
if you're not anal on quality, it's on youtube, it's in 8 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9oDBXLjQcE
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As said before by others; I prefer Clarkson on docu's.
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Thanks, I'll check that out. Hopefully I will be able to find a torrent sometime so it's all one file but the youtube will work for now and is certainly better then nothing! images/smilies/biggrin.gif
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if your not anal? more like "if you have no standards whatsoever, heres youtube"
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Thanks, I'll check that out. Hopefully I will be able to find a torrent sometime so it's all one file but the youtube will work for now and is certainly better then nothing! images/smilies/biggrin.gif
This thread has Rapidshare and torrent links. I believe it's also in 95's FTP.
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Clarkson could do better, but Hammond is far from useless.

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