CCX vs LP640? That easy to believe?

[Mercury]

When JC ran the CCX down the long stretch it hit about 193MPH if I remember right, but I was watching the LP640's run and it got me thinking... How come the LP640 was THAT MUCH quicker then the CCX? I mean looking at the specs on both these cars you'd expect the CCX to annihilate the LP640... The top speed is higher, the weight is lower, theres more power and it appears to be much much more aerodynamic, so how in gods name did the Lambo get close to 210MPH in the same place the CCX only gets to 193MPH?!

[THE REAL STIG]

I think because he carried more speed onto the straight with the Lambo. The CCX is very twitchy, and so I think he was a bit scared to take it to the limit.

[the Interceptor]

I agree with the above. The CCX should be much faster at the end of the straight than the LP640. However, where you can't just floor the torque-monster CCX (loads of grunt and RWD), you can do it with the Lambo (less torque and smoother characteristics due to NA & AWD). That might well be the reason. Apart from that, they're not doing this unter scientific circumstances, this still is entertainment. Therefor, those numbers are not 100% accurate.

Regards
the Interceptor

[Avalange]

Hello to all,

there is another possibility for the LP 640 to seem faster than the Koenigsegg. The speedometer in Lamborghinis is sometimes a little optimistic. For example, Auto Motor und Sport (the biggest and oldest german car magazine) had a Gallardo to test, and the speedometer on the car actually showed 135 mph while doing a measured 120 mph. Another time, they tested a Diablo SE 6.0 that showed 210 mph at doing 190.

So its very well possible that the speedo of the Lambo showed 207 while doing only 190 or so.

[OMEGA_RAZER]

I really wish I could defend the CCX more here but I have to admit that the 4wd on the Lambo would make quite a difference and judging by the comments made when the CCX went on the cool wall I also have to agree that he didn't really want to push it as far as it could go...

[jeeves]

^ Oh hey! Welcome to teh boards m8!

[bry789123]

both

[kekekeke]

i am pretty sure the objective of both the runs were to break the existing straight line records and not to push them to their full potential.

[bwkrupp]

Isnt the CCX also geared more for top speed so the 100-200 acceleration might be a tad slower?

[noname00]

A friend, who owns a Mk IV Golf, told me that VAG cars show 110% of the real speed. GPS confirmed that on his car. so 210 mph on the lambo is actually ~190 mph

[MrChips]

Originally Posted by noname00

A friend, who owns a Mk IV Golf, told me that VAG cars show 110% of the real speed. GPS confirmed that on his car. so 210 mph on the lambo is actually ~190 mph

Not necessarily true - and there is no general rule for a particular make as to how error exists in a speedometer; there are guidelines set forth by government, however.

My take on why the LP640 is faster than the CCX? I'd bet $100 that the wind conditions at filming time favoured the LP640. Simple as that.

[deathrazor]

That plus the CCX he was using in the main film was a preproduction model with a few kinks to work out yet.

[AnGuRuSO]

Originally Posted by noname00

A friend, who owns a Mk IV Golf, told me that VAG cars show 110% of the real speed. GPS confirmed that on his car. so 210 mph on the lambo is actually ~190 mph

sure

[Dav]

noname00 is probably right, most cars have speedos that over read. saves alot of speeding tickets.

[M3lover]

Originally Posted by bwkrupp

Isnt the CCX also geared more for top speed so the 100-200 acceleration might be a tad slower?

I also think the gearing is the the main reason why the LP640 was faster (on the speedo anyway). The LP640 is geared for a topspeed around 340 km/h while the CCX is ~400 km/h. I remember Tiff complaining about the tall gearing of the koeniggsegg models, which takes some of the punch out of the car.

[nomix]

Originally Posted by AnGuRuSO

sure

It's true. That's why we allways bash people with new speed records on the highway measured by speedo - appart from the fact that 130-140mph on public roads is idiotic. Unless it's in das Vaterland.

[powah]

Originally Posted by noname00

A friend, who owns a Mk IV Golf, told me that VAG cars show 110% of the real speed. GPS confirmed that on his car. so 210 mph on the lambo is actually ~190 mph

A shame. I'd have a LP640 over a CCX anyway though

[Vltros]

Originally Posted by powerof1000

A shame. I'd have a LP640 over a CCX anyway though

Me too!!!

[scowy]

It's most likely due to the way the cars gear ratios ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio ) have been set up.

The CCX's party trick is the top seed so they will have fitted very wide ratio gears to help the car get up to this top speed, though on the down side this affects the cars top end acceleration.

The LP 640 on the other while it has a lower top speed it is able to reach that speed much more quickly than the CCX by closer gearing.

In the end the CCX might be able to put out all these impressive facts about it's top speed Top speed: 403 km/h (250 mph+) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CCX ) but to actually reach that top speed is in reality incredibly difficult.

[Mercury]

Hmmm I gotta say gear ratios are not something i thought of and it's probably the best explenation since the TG test track is not that long to test these cars to their full potential, i mean the Veyron needed about 4 times the distance to get to 254MPH so in a shorter distance and with shorter gear ratios it makes sense.