Rampant sexism?

diti · November 6th, 2009, 11:07 PM

I've just noticed this letter in the Radio Times from last week, referring to some comments from James in their interview for the first "Toy Stories".

"ANYTHING YOU CAN DO
So "the point of being a man" is to "be able to have a go at anything"? Well, James May (RT, 24 October) the point of being a woman is to have a go at anything too...including sexist blokes!
(Sandra from Birmingham)"

Were James' comments sexist? Is TG sexist? (Do bears take Charmin to the woods? Do we girlies love it like that? Does anyone care?)

Mark355 · November 6th, 2009, 11:19 PM

I'm a big fan of the pink usernames. Convenient indicator of which posts in a thread I can skip over.

ThatsAgood1jay · November 6th, 2009, 11:20 PM

Not Sexist, girl is crazy.

imho.

Whappeh · November 6th, 2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias

I'm a big fan of the pink usernames. Convenient indicator of which posts in a thread I can skip over.

rofl best 1st post in a thread ever

Cobol74 · November 6th, 2009, 11:20 PM

Why does this matter?

Gman333-X-ferrari · November 6th, 2009, 11:25 PM

What were James' comments?

diti · November 6th, 2009, 11:42 PM

I can't track down the original article, but this from the Times seems to contain the salient points:

“I don’t like this notion that we all somehow have a feminine side,” the TV presenter James May, who worries that the term “blokiness” has become debased, told the Radio Times last week.

“Blokiness”, claimed May, who is best known for his presenting role on the BBC motoring show Top Gear, alongside Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond, “has come to mean a sort of supposedly endearing hopelessness, and I think blokes are doing themselves a bit of a disservice. Because I think the point of being a man is that you’re supposed to be dependable and you should be able to have a go at anything. And that includes things that we have now decided are on the girly side, like cooking or reading the poetry of WB Yeats.”

shellygrrl · November 6th, 2009, 11:49 PM

Yeah, that's not sexist at all.

jayhawk · November 6th, 2009, 11:54 PM

+ YouTube Video

Also, who cares.

avusilvia · November 7th, 2009, 12:00 AM

considering that teh both target audiences were primarily male I think any "blokey" comments made were adequate. I have found that the people that scream prejudice are those that prejudice and attention seeking themselves. They haven't been well versed in the art of proper audience targeting in speech and writing. so, sexist, maybe, but it all depends on the intended audience. Personally, it was most likely taken out of context or misunderstood.

skylock · November 7th, 2009, 12:10 AM

I like a man that does manly stuff. (looks manly, talks manly, walks manly, eats manly, acts manly, works manly, thinks manly)

(even when I can do the same stuff, somehow it is not the same)

Go James. Forget those silly women that are not secure in who they are and would rather make themselves a victim than enjoy men being men.

Oh yeah, Tobias, you can feel free to skip over this as I doubt you qualify anyway.

2Billion · November 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM

You know, if you think of it, the constant victim mentality just kills your own self esteem, Sandra from Birmingham. Saying men should be willing to have a go at anything doesn't mean women can't do the same thing.

LurkerPatrol · November 7th, 2009, 4:10 AM

Not directed to the OP but to the radio times/Sandra from Birmingham

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Originally Posted by gaasc

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epp_b · November 7th, 2009, 4:44 AM

I think there's some post-sexism thing going on these days where people make outrageously sexist comments that they don't actually mean, purely for the humour/shock value; i.e.:

Q: why did the woman cross the road?
A: who has a road in their kitchen? blah, blah, blah...

Mark355 · November 7th, 2009, 4:49 AM

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katwalk · November 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayhawk

+ YouTube Video

Also, who cares.

This is actually the first thing I thought of reading the OP images/smilies/lol.gif

also I will add, If you want to know why top gear would focus on men over women, scroll down to the bottom of the main forum page and compare pink usernames to the red ones. Currently 66 members online, 4 pink. You know why they have pink usernames here? Because there are so few girls they assume you are a boy automatically.

LindenChase · November 7th, 2009, 10:26 AM

Oh God, there we go again. We have had this discussion a dozen times before. Why a new thread? images/smilies/cry.gif

katwalk · November 7th, 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LindenChase

Oh God, there we go again. We have had this discussion a dozen times before. Why a new thread? images/smilies/cry.gif

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/Kaorugirl/Sidebox-Kitten-Thinks-R.jpg

This thread is now about stig kittens

Cobol74 · November 7th, 2009, 10:37 AM

STIG kitten - have you let the cat out of the Helmet?

camelfarmer · November 7th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Can we just accept that top gear isn't sexist and move on?

November 6th, 2009, 11:07 PM	#1
diti Not A Dude Joined: Sep 29th, 2007 Last Online: 9:20 PM Location: Lancashire, England Posts: 299 Car: Mini Convertible Rep Power: 61	Rampant sexism? I've just noticed this letter in the Radio Times from last week, referring to some comments from James in their interview for the first "Toy Stories". "ANYTHING YOU CAN DO So "the point of being a man" is to "be able to have a go at anything"? Well, James May (RT, 24 October) the point of being a woman is to have a go at anything too...including sexist blokes! (Sandra from Birmingham)" Were James' comments sexist? Is TG sexist? (Do bears take Charmin to the woods? Do we girlies love it like that? Does anyone care?) __________________ diti Not A Dude

November 6th, 2009, 11:19 PM	#2
Mark355 Previously known as Tobias Joined: Mar 26th, 2005 Last Online: 1:52 AM Location: New York Age: 24 Posts: 1,207 Car: 2006 Honda S2000 Rep Power: 62	I'm a big fan of the pink usernames. Convenient indicator of which posts in a thread I can skip over. __________________

November 6th, 2009, 11:20 PM	#5
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Gman333-X-ferrari Joined: Nov 5th, 2006 Last Online: 11:18 AM Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 2,995 Car: The George "BBQ Spoiler Grille" Foremanator Rep Power: 0	What were James' comments? __________________

November 6th, 2009, 11:42 PM	#7
diti Not A Dude Joined: Sep 29th, 2007 Last Online: 9:20 PM Location: Lancashire, England Posts: 299 Car: Mini Convertible Rep Power: 61	I can't track down the original article, but this from the Times seems to contain the salient points: “I don’t like this notion that we all somehow have a feminine side,” the TV presenter James May, who worries that the term “blokiness” has become debased, told the Radio Times last week. “Blokiness”, claimed May, who is best known for his presenting role on the BBC motoring show Top Gear, alongside Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond, “has come to mean a sort of supposedly endearing hopelessness, and I think blokes are doing themselves a bit of a disservice. Because I think the point of being a man is that you’re supposed to be dependable and you should be able to have a go at anything. And that includes things that we have now decided are on the girly side, like cooking or reading the poetry of WB Yeats.” __________________ diti Not A Dude

November 6th, 2009, 11:20 PM	#3
ThatsAgood1jay Joined: Jul 21st, 2009 Last Online: January 18th, 2010 Location: Rowlett Texas Posts: 19 Car: 1971 Ford Torino GT Rep Power: 0	Not Sexist, girl is crazy. imho.

November 6th, 2009, 11:49 PM	#8
shellygrrl Not A Dude Joined: Nov 29th, 2008 Last Online: 8:29 PM Location: Maine Posts: 1,593 Rep Power: 178	Yeah, that's not sexist at all. __________________ "Unlike James May, I will only run on television." ~ Jeremy Clarkson "This is where we'll see the advantage of the optional sport pack." ~ James May "Oversteer is best, because you don't see the tree that kills you." ~ Richard Hammond "James is NOT gorgeous. He’s hairy, churlish and has curious personal habits." ~ Oz Clarke "ALL TV programmes have a script (and/or storyboard), otherwise as other posters have said it would be chaos, and TG would look like a Youtube video from someone's backyard." ~ ozgirl

November 7th, 2009, 12:00 AM	#10
avusilvia Joined: Jul 27th, 2009 Last Online: February 2nd, 2010 Location: Saint Petersburg/Orlando FL USA Age: 19 Posts: 97 Car: 1996 Nissan 200sx se Rep Power: 5	considering that teh both target audiences were primarily male I think any "blokey" comments made were adequate. I have found that the people that scream prejudice are those that prejudice and attention seeking themselves. They haven't been well versed in the art of proper audience targeting in speech and writing. so, sexist, maybe, but it all depends on the intended audience. Personally, it was most likely taken out of context or misunderstood.

November 7th, 2009, 12:10 AM	#11
skylock Not A Dude Joined: Jun 3rd, 2006 Last Online: December 21st, 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,401 Car: Honda Civic Rep Power: 88	I like a man that does manly stuff. (looks manly, talks manly, walks manly, eats manly, acts manly, works manly, thinks manly) (even when I can do the same stuff, somehow it is not the same) Go James. Forget those silly women that are not secure in who they are and would rather make themselves a victim than enjoy men being men. Oh yeah, Tobias, you can feel free to skip over this as I doubt you qualify anyway. __________________ Judy People were crashing cars long before Top Gear existed. James May Last edited by skylock; November 7th, 2009 at 12:15 AM.

November 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM	#12
2Billion Joined: Dec 7th, 2005 Last Online: 7:49 PM Age: 24 Posts: 1,763 Car: '10 Toyota Matrix XR Rep Power: 192	You know, if you think of it, the constant victim mentality just kills your own self esteem, Sandra from Birmingham. Saying men should be willing to have a go at anything doesn't mean women can't do the same thing.

November 7th, 2009, 4:44 AM	#14
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 8:49 PM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,216 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	I think there's some post-sexism thing going on these days where people make outrageously sexist comments that they don't actually mean, purely for the humour/shock value; i.e.: Q: why did the woman cross the road? A: who has a road in their kitchen? blah, blah, blah... __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover"

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Mark355 Previously known as Tobias Joined: Mar 26th, 2005 Last Online: 1:52 AM Location: New York Age: 24 Posts: 1,207 Car: 2006 Honda S2000 Rep Power: 62	__________________

November 7th, 2009, 10:26 AM	#17
LindenChase Not A Dude Joined: Nov 28th, 2007 Last Online: 5:08 PM Posts: 1,154 Rep Power: 74	Oh God, there we go again. We have had this discussion a dozen times before. Why a new thread? __________________ "I think fast track driving is a little like playing the bagpipes. A gentleman can, but doesn't." James May

November 7th, 2009, 10:37 AM	#19
Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 7:09 PM Location: Southampton Posts: 9,574 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 206	STIG kitten - have you let the cat out of the Helmet? __________________ Lotus 7 Registration Mark = KAR120C : Engine Number = 461034 TZ Ross Brawn genius or what?

November 7th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#20
camelfarmer Banned Joined: Feb 1st, 2007 Last Online: December 6th, 2009 Location: Bristol Posts: 405 Car: Ford focus Rep Power: 0	Can we just accept that top gear isn't sexist and move on?

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