stig sucks?

[Burnz]

I'm just trying to figure out how you guys can say that 'american's' can't build a car that corners... How does a car that is faster than an Acura NSX and BMW M3 CSL on the 'ring 'not handle'?

Meh, whatever. I feel like I'm the only unbiased one here... I'm no hillbilly, but I can appreciate a car for what it is. The corvette? A relatively unsophisticated, well priced sports car that is build cheaply, but is reliable.

Just another example of an american car that 'can't handle' is the CTS... I mean it basically raped the competition in the SPEED World Challenge GT series it's first time out... the only thing that could beat it (after it was detuned) was the Audi's (long live Audi . )

[sith33]

Heh. I wonder how Britain has managed to stick around so long, given that, according to these fine message board folks, each and every one of their citizens is in fact a homosexual. It really must take a lot of time out of their days to be *that* homophobic. And jingoistic. But they apparently have very strong right forearms and left legs (to deal with their manly transmissions), which really turns the ladies on...

I'll stick with nice friendly urban minnesota for now...

[zenon]

Originally Posted by Burnz

I'm just trying to figure out how you guys can say that 'american's' can't build a car that corners... How does a car that is faster than an Acura NSX and BMW M3 CSL on the 'ring 'not handle'?

One word: horsepower.

The Corvette may be one of the best handling of American built cars, but it keeps up with the competition through sheer power, not tight handling (I'm talking about everything prior to the C6 Corvette, it's entirely different). A Corvette will not pull nearly as many G's on a skidpad and will not run a slalom as fast as any of it's European or Japanese rivals, but it makes up for it with its horsepower and torque on the track.

American sports cars are still very fast, but it is undeniable that they lose it in the corner and make up for it in the straights on the track. And that's not bias, that's fact.

[Phix]

Oh God, wow. I couldn't really read past the first 5 messages. See, it's /those/ kind of Americans I can't stand. Muscle car fanatics who think muscle cars are the start all end all of cars. One of my friends is like that. We decided to never talk about cars cause usually his only retort was "Any muscle car can outhandle, outspeed, whatever any asian crap or europeon crap. It all depends on the driver." and then when I tried to explain that the driver and car go hand-in-hand he's like, "it doesn't matter, american cars are real cars." and all he seems to care about are the engine sizes... not how much hp, torque, how it handles etc. etc. 5 liter?! Oh shit!

Sorry, rantish...

[SiR_dude]

Originally Posted by Phix

Oh God, wow. I couldn't really read past the first 5 messages. See, it's /those/ kind of Americans I can't stand. Muscle car fanatics who think muscle cars are the start all end all of cars. One of my friends is like that. We decided to never talk about cars cause usually his only retort was "Any muscle car can outhandle, outspeed, whatever any asian crap or europeon crap. It all depends on the driver." and then when I tried to explain that the driver and car go hand-in-hand he's like, "it doesn't matter, american cars are real cars." and all he seems to care about are the engine sizes... not how much hp, torque, how it handles etc. etc. 5 liter?! Oh shit!

Sorry, rantish...

I feel the exact same way......

[kronz]

Lets all jump on that forum and start a massive flame war.

[SiR_dude]

Originally Posted by kronz

Lets all jump on that forum and start a massive flame war.

That would just create problems. Let them live in their little world, whilst we knowledgable types enjoy TG

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

Originally Posted by zenon

it keeps up with the competition through sheer power

and it creates that power by the sheer size of its engine!

What's the Mustang? 5 litres, 250 hp

[zenon]

Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

What's the Mustang? 5 litres, 250 hp

If you take the 4 damn catalytic converters off of a 5L Mustang the engine produces way more power. It's one of the stupider decisions from Ford: instead of actually trying to tune an engine for smog ratings, they just stick 4 catalytic converters on it... American ingenuity at its best.

[jmX]

I think they were just upset that the host guy was making fun of the car, and not so much about the stig. He obviously beat quite a few nice cars with the C6 on the track so I think he drove it just fine.

As for the C6, its basically exactly like the C5. Since 97 the vette has been a fairly nice sports car, especially for the price. Some of the owners do get somehow diluted into thinking that its the best thing since sliced bread and gasp when anybody else says otherwise, but I guess that is to be expected from some.

Anyway, stereotyping them as rednecks is just as bad as them saying nuke the brits.

I myself was quite pleased with the C6 review, aside from making fun of the rear bumper at the end. Assloads of cars rear bumpers push in these days, and I dont see how that has anything to do with quality....just seemed like a random stab in the dark to me.

BTW, I moderate on that site in question in a techinical section of it, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt if you wish. For the guy that asked why somebody would buy a shitty camaro....well, some people like raw horsepower, cheap. Its fun to some people, and as hard as it may be to fathom, not everybody has the same tastes as you. Interior build quality is not going to matter much to a 22 year old kid that can only afford a $22k car, but 350hp sure would! Different strokes for different folks.

[tx3dude]

well said JMX ...you actually made sense. i dont like people that stereo type cars by there place of manufacture. i hate holdens with a passion but im glad to see an ozy product get a good review( even if they are amazed that the wheels turn at all!!)

[v0od0o]

yes very reasonable jmx that's how I'd like all car discussions to be, reasonable, fair and objective. Welcome onboard jmx

[Phix]

Originally Posted by jmX

I myself was quite pleased with the C6 review, aside from making fun of the rear bumper at the end. Assloads of cars rear bumpers push in these days, and I dont see how that has anything to do with quality....just seemed like a random stab in the dark to me.

Well, it wasn't really the /bumper/. More like the entire backside. Or is that a two-in-one thing for the C6?

[Nikkel]

I think JC's point when he pushed the bumper was "see ?! that's plastic"
But then again The Noble M12 is plastic car too

If I had the money I would buy an expensive GT like the DB9 with beatiful
interior that you feel at home in and posh and stylish looks.8)
And another car
in my garage would be a Dodge Challanger with V8 engine brutal power
straight line acceleration with big front end that feels like eating everione on the road.
Fear me people!!!
And a Ferrari 355 that's light and agile has more than enough power
for it's light body. It has razor sharp handling and the feel that you can make
any turn at any speed.

I mean that Americans have their right to love the muscle cars that's cheap
power, agression and testosterone that you can't get anywhere else.
And Europeans their more stylish more precise racing machines that go round the
corners.
Japans ->their small engines specific syling and high revs (Americans can never
understand that but when my Honda shrieks at 8000rpm I get all mad).

Just don't be fanatic about it.

Every car has it social place and is part of some culture the most important thing
it that is made with love and attention. There are some shitty muscle car but there
are great ones as fo european or any other cars. But love is what matters a few
enthusiasts gave the world the Jaguar XJ220 and the Dodge Viper. They made em
just for the love of cars. And Paganis, Ferraris for instance are their creators dreams
Enzo struggled for years before realising his firs Ferrari.
The first muscle car the Pontiac GTO was made by few people inspite the company's
marketing managers.
And what hapens when a car is made with sales in mind ? A bad car comes out
and it's soon forgotten. You get VW New Beetle made to rest on it's predesseor's
fame and sell the Beetle legend. Or you get Opel Corsa milions are sold but nobody
actualy wants one.

I have the feeling that these guy over there aren't deffending the Corvette coz they
like it so much. It's their patriotism that's hurt. Talking bout Iraq ? They are so
narrow minded that even a fat american muscle car can make a turn from the
straight line of thinking that they are willing to. In short idiots.

Let's not forget JC. I like british cars but that's the man that made me wish that
everi time there is comparison in the program I hope that the British lose.
I like him he has presense good sence of humor, has the love for cars. But
god help him he is UNFAIR, as unfair as the idiots on that forum.

I can even understand the ricers with their neon lighted,buldozer spoilered ,
bass booming, moving graffity.
As for me I'll go with the more stylish stuff.

[Phix]

Well, I'll never or understand or even try to understand rice cause rice to me is just a way to bling out and get pussy (atleast, that's the same reason several people at my high school have told me). Also, I loved it during the C6 drag race when Richard was like, "And the British win!" and the camera shows him all happy then he goes, "Oh, too bad, too bad." and all sad. Haha, I loved that moment.

[p0w3r]

Originally Posted by Renesis

Proves that Camaro/Firebird owners are real rednecks.

hey not true
My dad, a new yorker, used to have a Trans-AM


But it's safe to say most are rednecks

I thought they were hilarious, they liked a over-stiff clutch and then they go on about how good the ride is in a corvette
And a NSX does about the same 1/4 mile times as a vette (i think?). It's due to their better power delevery and aerodynamics.

[kanderson]

Let's not forget JC. I like british cars but that's the man that made me wish that
everi time there is comparison in the program I hope that the British lose.

Let's not forget that most of the great British cars that Jeremy likes best are American owned-- Jaguar, Aston-Martin, Land Rover. Even Jeremy's Mercedes isn't a German car anymore, owned by Daimler-Chrysler. His favorite car, the DB9, has a Ford engine, and performs so badly in the handling category that Ford forbade TopGear from doing a STIG test. (They have overcome these issues with the new DBR9.)

Besides, Americans don't care if a car steers well. There's nothing to steer the car around over here.

[Overheat]

That forum cracked me up. God help america!

[Nikkel]

Just because Ford owns Aston or Jaguar you can't say that they are American.
(that's why you said American owned)
They are still British.

And the point of the sentence you quoted is that now I'm cheering all the other
car while watching TG coz I'm sick of them making the british winning all the time.
And I like british cars a lot.


[quote="kanderson"]

Besides, Americans don't care if a car steers well. There's nothing to steer the car around over here.

I hpe you understood that I like American cars they are the right cars
for the right people and right culture.
And I would love to scream trough my home town in a Shelby 350GT
or 500 GT or a Challanger or a Viper.

[swek]

Originally Posted by kanderson

Even Jeremy's Mercedes isn't a German car anymore, owned by Daimler-Chrysler.

That's what they wanted you to think. Daimler took over Chrysler and claimed it to be a merge of equals. They got in a lot of trouble for that afterwards.