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36I have surfed these forums for quite a while now and i must say i can't stand these stupid corvette discussions anymore.
Why do you care if Jeremy Clarkson likes it or not? If YOU think its the best car in the world (its american, duh-huh) then its fine, but remember that in the rest of the world people just dont really care about it really much. Mostly because they cant buy it or its way more expensive than in the US.
I am german and i dont really give a shit if jeremy likes the new audi/bmw/whatever... aren't you guys self-conscious enough to accept different opinions?
In my opinion the Corvette may be cheap, but theres a reason for it. Some like it, some don't. You shouldn't take it as an attack on your national pride if someone doesnt like your cars.
If you are a driver who is interested in quarter mile racing and skip pad figures and more stuff that most people never even heard of, then you should go for it, its the right car for you.
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24I'm wondering where this sudden outburst actually came from?!
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22In my opinion Jeeza is usualy right about cars he drive, so mostly I agree with him.
50^In that case:Originally Posted by fbc
^ Good question
I feeling acoming on
In before the lock
Nah in all seriousness, he's entitled to his opinion, it just would have been better if he had posted his thoughts (rant) in one of those "stupid Corvette discussions" to prevent totally reigniting this silly (IMO) debate.
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36yeah i was about to do that (Heaven and hell thread), but then i wanted you all to take part in my sudden outburst as well
I noticed that several times and just kept asking "why, oh why?"
0My dad used to own a corvette or two when I was a kid, all I can really remember about them is do not open the door when you're parked next to a curb. Otherwise you get a nice crunching noise.
-Sabrina
0I wouldn't be able to tell you why they care, as I'm American... but I honestly find the jokes about American cars to be quite funny; mainly because its normaly the truth.
I don't think i'd buy anything but a German engineered car for myself; but if someone doesn't like them i'm not gonna go all postal on them, I could care less; unless they are just bashing it because they can't afford it... that I find utterly stupid. - I've talked to people who have said Porsche 911's are rubbish, yet they have never driven one.
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To be honest, comments like these wont extinguish the fire, instead just ignite it. But then again i sorta agree with u... people sometimes do go over board with their thoughts, feelings, etc. o well thats how some of them are gotta deal with it.I have surfed these forums for quite a while now and i must say i can't stand these stupid corvette discussions anymore.
Why do you care if Jeremy Clarkson likes it or not? If YOU think its the best car in the world (its american, duh-huh) then its fine, but remember that in the rest of the world people just dont really care about it really much. Mostly because they cant buy it or its way more expensive than in the US.
I am german and i dont really give a shit if jeremy likes the new audi/bmw/whatever... aren't you guys self-conscious enough to accept different opinions?
In my opinion the Corvette may be cheap, but theres a reason for it. Some like it, some don't. You shouldn't take it as an attack on your national pride if someone doesnt like your cars.
If you are a driver who is interested in quarter mile racing and skip pad figures and more stuff that most people never even heard of, then you should go for it, its the right car for you.
If u think about it wen u post something like this another corvette fanatic will come n go all wacked out about how good this car is - takin us back to step one...
well those are my 2 cents... its a car that might compete against exotics buh its just not as good as them if u no wat i mean...
Mojo
0This thread is useless without...um... no it's just useless.
PARTAY!!!!!!!
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As an american, i'd like to go on the record as saying that I personally feel that the Corvette is rubbish. that is all.
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Well, I'm an American and I have stuck up for the Corvette on this forum in the past, so maybe I'll give it a try.
Most American cars are indeed, lousy. However, I think cars like the Viper and Corvette are exceptions and are indeed great sports cars. I drive a Porsche and I spend time with these cars on the track. I have friends who own them. They are to be respected. Even though I don't own one, I understand enough about them to know what I'm talking about.
However, most Euros, including our beloved host Jeremy, have just plain wrong impressions and can't even get the facts straight about the car.
Where do I start? In "Heaven and Hell" he complains about the "live rear axle", when they've had independent rears since 1963. He complains about the "Vietnamese suspension" in Series 6 and can't get past the leaf springs, but doesn't bother to look under the car to see they are transverse springs on an independent suspension as one would find in an F1 car. Yahoos on this board complain about the "lump of iron" Chevy Small Block that dates back to stonehenge, yet this powerful lineup of all-aluminum V8s gives great gas milage (better than BMW flat 6) and tremendous horsepower and weighs the same as the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder in my Porsche. Wake out of your inherent bias and give something a chance on merit.
It would be like someone complaining about the 911 still being an ass-engined aircooled handling nightmare. That's a stereotype that fit 30 years ago, but not today.
You don't have to like the car, but at least stop falling back on the lazy stereotypes of a solid-axle iron block floaty boat that's only fast in a straight line and can't corner or brake. It isn't 1972 anymore.
At very least pay attention to what the C6R has done at LeMans and in the Petite LeMans series. It has been DOMINATING its class.
As for not caring because it isn't European or too expensive, who cares? Many of the cars on Gear are not available in the US, and quite frankly a lot of them are horrid. Especially the French ones. But nonetheless I enjoy seeing them and hearing about them. However, I expect the hosts to be honest and forthcoming and not fall back on lazy stereotypes to misrepresent the cars. They are free to like or not like any car but I don't want them to lie, misrepresent, or babble on about some irrational opinion they formed as teenagers.
Anyone who spends any time on a track in America will run into Corvettes, and they are capable cars.
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I have to agree with you on the viper - the brief time I spent behind the wheel of one was awe-inspiring.
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Un-Dee's always in the IRC channel, so it must've been something there and in the forums that prompted this. I'll slap em around a bit.
0Before I start I would like to say that although I personally don't like any Corvette's I am willing to give most cars a chance to impress me and I have to admit that the latest Z06's performance around the Nurburgring is very good. BUT here is my opinion (and some facts as well) and please read all of my post before you reply, I took the time to read yours and I am trying to understand your position.
F1 cars do not use leaf springs. They usually have a torsion bar system which is a bit like an antiroll bar and some used a coilover system (although I think this was mostly on the rear and isn't used much now). Both are opperated by rods and not acted on directly like a normal spring. F1 suspension is much different to the system the Corvette has.
BMW doesn't make a flat 6.Yahoos on this board complain about the "lump of iron" Chevy Small Block that dates back to stonehenge, yet this powerful lineup of all-aluminum V8s gives great gas milage (better than BMW flat 6) and tremendous horsepower and weighs the same as the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder in my Porsche. Wake out of your inherent bias and give something a chance on merit.
The way they get the good fuel economy is that the Corvette's have a 2 seater sports car type body with a CD as low as 0.28, they are light, and they use a gearbox with a 0.50 top gear ratio. Compare that to the car with a BMW straight 6 which is heavier (something like the M3 is up to 100kg heavier or an M5 is 200kg+ heavier), are 4 door sedans so have a higher CD, and they have their gearboxes designed so that top gear is actually a useful gear (more like a 0.80 ratio which means it could be up to 2000rpm higher at cruising speeds). The combination of all that results in a big difference in fuel economy. You can't compare the engines unless you take them away from the cars and put them on an engine dyno or something and then I think you will find the european engines are more fuel efficient, infact out here we have the LS2 6L (I think is is an LS2?) in the HSV range of cars which are closer in design and weight to the M3 or M5 or similar cars and even though the HSV's still use the same 0.5 top gear the M3's and M5's get better petrol consumption. I can find some figures for you if you want?
I also don't think the engine weighs much or any less than a similar engine from any other manufacturer, I will see if I can find some specs.
The reason I don't like the engine is because, even after all the high tech stuff they have put into the new Z06 engine, they still don't rev (which I like) and they still don't make much power per litre of engine (and if you compare the engines directly like I said above the extra capacity means worse petrol consumption than some rival engines). For some reason I just hate the idea of having more capacity than what I need, kind of seems lazy or something, which is of course my opinion.
The C6R is considerably different to the road Corvette and they haven't really had much competition in the past (considering they are a factory team). This year Aston Martin entered the DBR9 (also very different to a road DB9) and even in it's first development year it gave the C6R's some competition, they definately didn't dominate in those races. They still did win a few but it was a race right to the finish.At very least pay attention to what the C6R has done at LeMans and in the Petite LeMans series. It has been DOMINATING its class.
I agree, no contintent or country can claim to have the best cars. Good and bad cars come from everywhere, even the same manufacturer. I have said that I have never been impressed with the Corvettes so far, except maybe the new Z06, but I hope I get the chance to drive a few in the future and I will not form a final opinion until I do and even then it will only be my opinion and I will try my best to keep an open mind about the future models.As for not caring because it isn't European or too expensive, who cares? Many of the cars on Gear are not available in the US, and quite frankly a lot of them are horrid. Especially the French ones. But nonetheless I enjoy seeing them and hearing about them. However, I expect the hosts to be honest and forthcoming and not fall back on lazy stereotypes to misrepresent the cars. They are free to like or not like any car but I don't want them to lie, misrepresent, or babble on about some irrational opinion they formed as teenagers.
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I also don't understand Americans defending the Corvette on this forum.
CLARKSON LIKES THE CORVETTE AND THE VIPER!!!
He only likes to make fun of them for having simple engineering.
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