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    #21
    What you do is buy the real Toyota Supra, better known to you and me as the Lexus RC350

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      #22
      That's basically what I was thinking myself, if it's going to cost this much and be a "premium" sports car just call the damn thing a Lexus and get it over with. Another nail in it's coffin is the fact that the "400Z" is going to come with more power in the lowest trim and not likely to cost much more than the current Z. So really what is the market for this?
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        #23
        Originally posted by prizrak View Post
        That's basically what I was thinking myself, if it's going to cost this much and be a "premium" sports car just call the damn thing a Lexus and get it over with. Another nail in it's coffin is the fact that the "400Z" is going to come with more power in the lowest trim and not likely to cost much more than the current Z. So really what is the market for this?
        Fast and Furious fans? I'm sure they are already prepping the next film for this. In addition to those fans, those who loved the original back in the day now have the 60k to drop on a more comfortable reincarnation.

        As for it being a BMW, I'm not surprised by this. The sports car market (sans iconic muscle/pony cars) is too small to make one alone. This is why we have the BRZ, Spider 124, and now this.
        Last edited by argatoga; June 16th, 2018, 11:20 PM.
        bogative ?

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          #24
          That's basically what I was saying, they are banking on the name alone rather than anything specific to the car.

          Aside from BRZ Subaru still did the WRX/STi all on their own. Nissan's Z, Honda's NSX, Ze Germans all make sports cars all on their own so a partnership sports car is more of an aberration than the norm. Though all in all that's not my problem, my problem is that it's a Toyota, without Toyota reliability for BMW money. Won't even bring performance into this. I really don't see a compelling reason for the Supra over say an M2 (if we are comparing like for like) aside from being "bro I got a Supra"
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            #25
            Originally posted by prizrak View Post
            That's basically what I was saying, they are banking on the name alone rather than anything specific to the car.

            Aside from BRZ Subaru still did the WRX/STi all on their own. Nissan's Z, Honda's NSX, Ze Germans all make sports cars all on their own so a partnership sports car is more of an aberration than the norm. Though all in all that's not my problem, my problem is that it's a Toyota, without Toyota reliability for BMW money. Won't even bring performance into this. I really don't see a compelling reason for the Supra over say an M2 (if we are comparing like for like) aside from being "bro I got a Supra"
            The WRX and STi are based off the Impreza platform (which itself is shared by their other cars) so the development costs aren't as great as building a bespoke sports car platform themselves. The Z platform hasn't been updated since the Bush administration, and the NSX is a low production halo car built without a concern for earning its development costs back.

            I don't know the specifics, but I am guessing BMW brought in Toyota to offset the costs for their next sports car. Toyota saw a relatively cheap way to profit from the mid life crisis "bro I got a Supra" crowd, and here we are.

            Personally, the more sports cars the better. The SUV/CUV invasion has pushed too many of them out.
            Last edited by argatoga; June 18th, 2018, 9:52 PM.
            bogative ?

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              #26
              Z platform is nothing but the FM platform that has been used and used and used, they are still making it's Infiniti bro with some updates because luxury is what everyone wants now. And yet we are still getting a new Z, with a Nismo model being basically a baby GT-R. There was no need for Toyota to make anything bespoke, they have RWD Lexi so they could have easily leveraged it, throw some different body panels on an RC350, give it a manual and put a Supra badge on it. Price it at around 40K (same as old supra in the 90s btw) and there you go.

              EDIT: I think having more *affordable* sports car is better, having a bunch of expensive ones that can only be bought as toys is really not going to help with CUV/SUV invasion.
              Last edited by prizrak; June 19th, 2018, 3:58 PM.
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                #27
                Nevermind the CUV/SUV invasion. Leveraging existing platforms means (as Nissan is proving) that you can have a whole range of good sedans/CUV's which drive well and can still be luxurious and comfortable. Why Ford hasn't reached this conclusion to make some cheap sedans/CUV's from the mustang is beyond me.

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                  #28
                  Well, with Ford killing off sedans entirely, it's kind of a moot point.

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                    #29
                    We actually had this conversation on the forums and in my case in person with some people. Specifically why would they not use Mustang platform for Lincoln. I guess with killing off sedans completely it makes more sense now.
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