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    Krautsourcing: Help Dr_Grip find his piece of Detroit steel!

    As some of you might know, I am planning to purchase a late-60s to early-70s, preferrably pre-smogger full-size wagon in the US and bring it back to Germany with me. Thanks to cash for clunkers and the fact that the concept "wagon" never caught on in the same way as it did in Germany, good, reasonably-priced examples seem to be few. Thus, I ask the hive mind for help!

    Budget limit (including basic maintenance and any repairs needed) is $5000. I have a slight preference for the 1971/72 "Knudsen nose" Ford LTD/Country Squire and the 1971-76 GM "Clamshell" offerings (Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser/Chevy Caprice/etc), but I'll consider other cars if the condition is right.

    I've already enlisted CraigB, Spectre and LCG to help me looking, but more people might find more cars.

    There are some "hard" requirements any car has to fulfill:

    -The engine, exhaust and drivetrain have to be stock and matching the model and year in question - i.e. a V8 swapped into a former V6 car is OK if the V8 swapped in was available for the model and year from factory, same goes for other replacement engines, gearboxes, etc. If the engine does not match the car, I won't get the car certified as a historic vehicle and will have to pay taxes by the cubic inch. Not a good idea with a 60s/70s V8. Luckily, matching numbers are not required, though.
    -The body has to be largely rust-free. Having to do immediate rust repairs will take the final remains of economic sense out of the project.
    -Engine has to be a V8 - I won't buy a US car without that sweet V8 rumble.
    -Automatic gearbox - my girl is unhappy with the Kadett's manual, so getting an autobox will be a first step to make her like the car. Also: burnouts.
    -Power Steering.
    -Front-engine, rear wheel drive layout. I don't have an interest in a Corvair, Toronado or similar early experiment in alternative layouts.

    -And most important: The car has to be in good enough overall shape and keep to do a hassle-free 3500-mile road trip in it.

    Then there's the wishlist - things I look for in a car, but that I'd give up if the rest of the car is what I am looking for:
    -Bench seats
    -Leather seats
    -Original, nicely faded paint
    -Wood trim
    -Air Conditioning

    If you post a link, it would be nice if you'd indicate whether you'd be willing to inspect the car in person, as well.
    Battered and weary after the craziness of the 1960s, the self-righteousness of the 1970s and the greed of the 1980s, I want to go home again, oh, so desperately - home to that land of drive-in restaurants and Chevy Bel-Airs, making out and rock 'n' roll and drag races and Studebakers, Elvis and James Dean and black leather jackets. Not that I ever owned a black leather jacket.
    (Roger Ebert)

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    Your loss on the Toronado. The only thing about it that is off the wall is the modified th400 trans.

    I know this one is above your price, but it has been listed for two months, so I bet he is willing to negotiate.

    https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/4413824656.html

    This one is to far for me to get to any time soon.
    Last edited by GRtak; June 5th, 2014, 7:51 PM.
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      #3
      i like your choice of paint! that's my preference as well

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        #4
        This might be a bit smaller than you want, but it's in great shape.
        http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4491087080.html
        Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?

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          #5
          I was going to offer to help you find something local in my area, but then I saw your no rust criteria...
          "It's the difference between watching great sex and having good sex." - Labcoatguy on the difference between an automatic and a manual gearbox.

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            #6
            Trust me, it's bad enough at my latitude.

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              #7
              Thank you both!
              Originally posted by GRtak View Post
              I know this one is above your price, but it has been listed for two months, so I bet he is willing to negotiate.

              https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/4413824656.html

              This one is to far for me to get to any time soon.
              Don't we have some members (CrazyRussian and the guy with the Mk2 MR2?) working for Ford in Dearborn? That's around the corner from there....

              Originally posted by ScarFace88 View Post
              This might be a bit smaller than you want, but it's in great shape.
              http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4491087080.html
              Tough one. Have spent the better part of the day looking at it and still can't make up my mind if it's the most beautiful car I've ever seen or "kill it with fire" ugly...
              Battered and weary after the craziness of the 1960s, the self-righteousness of the 1970s and the greed of the 1980s, I want to go home again, oh, so desperately - home to that land of drive-in restaurants and Chevy Bel-Airs, making out and rock 'n' roll and drag races and Studebakers, Elvis and James Dean and black leather jackets. Not that I ever owned a black leather jacket.
              (Roger Ebert)

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                #8
                Originally posted by Dr_Grip View Post
                Thank you both!
                Don't we have some members (CrazyRussian and the guy with the Mk2 MR2?) working for Ford in Dearborn? That's around the corner from there....
                Yeah, I can go have a look and take pictures if you want.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dr_Grip View Post
                  -The engine, exhaust and drivetrain have to be stock and matching the model and year in question - i.e. a V8 swapped into a former V6 car is OK if the V8 swapped in was available for the model and year from factory, same goes for other replacement engines, gearboxes, etc. If the engine does not match the car, I won't get the car certified as a historic vehicle and will have to pay taxes by the cubic inch. Not a good idea with a 60s/70s V8. Luckily, matching numbers are not required, though.
                  Isn't any period-correct Engine okay - even if it wasn't available in that particular car? Also, modifying should be okay als long as it is period correct as well.
                  I've often seen things like C Kadetts with 2.2 Engines and Webers on H Plates, or six cylinder Asconas etc. So either this is allowed or they were modding the cars after they got the H Plate and are driving around illegaly...
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                    #10
                    Just for fun, i made a quick search on autoscout24, max price set at 5k euros. Here's what i found :

                    http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=240167296 Mercury Colony Park
                    http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=251813462 Ford Country Squire
                    http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=242719420 Chevrolet Malibu
                    http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=233658571 Plymouth Fury Suburban (with a slant six)

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                      #11
                      Some eBay finds you've probably seen already... The 64 Chrysler is my favorite.

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/310977380755?nav=SEARCH

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/121351448757?nav=SEARCH

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/151319864862?nav=SEARCH

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/151319905592?nav=SEARCH
                      Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?

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                        #12
                        http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...y/1653508.html

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                          #13
                          http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car?id=17edd1
                          Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?

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                            #14
                            That's one big ole gal there.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Burn View Post
                              Isn't any period-correct Engine okay - even if it wasn't available in that particular car? Also, modifying should be okay als long as it is period correct as well.
                              I've often seen things like C Kadetts with 2.2 Engines and Webers on H Plates, or six cylinder Asconas etc. So either this is allowed or they were modding the cars after they got the H Plate and are driving around illegaly...
                              see page seven). You are right about aftermarket carbs, exhausts and similar, though - if I can prove that it was available back then, it's fine.

                              Additionally, most of what's allowed and what's not boils down to the guy doing the inspection. And with a car I imported, I don't want to take any chances.

                              Originally posted by miki View Post
                              Just for fun, i made a quick search on autoscout24, max price set at 5k euros. Here's what i found
                              All the cheaper cars most likely are not road-legal without modifications. Additionally, buying a car that's already here would take the adventure out of this.

                              Originally posted by CrazyRussian540 View Post
                              Yeah, I can go have a look and take pictures if you want.
                              Thank you, PM sent.
                              Last edited by Dr_Grip; June 6th, 2014, 7:25 PM.
                              Battered and weary after the craziness of the 1960s, the self-righteousness of the 1970s and the greed of the 1980s, I want to go home again, oh, so desperately - home to that land of drive-in restaurants and Chevy Bel-Airs, making out and rock 'n' roll and drag races and Studebakers, Elvis and James Dean and black leather jackets. Not that I ever owned a black leather jacket.
                              (Roger Ebert)

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Dr_Grip View Post
                                Additionally, buying a car that's already here would take the adventure out of this.[...]
                                No pain, no game?

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                                  #17
                                  '69 Olds Vista Cruiser, a little more than your 5000 Euros.
                                  http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/4495487950.html

                                  '67 Pontiac Catalina wagon, some visible rust in pics.
                                  http://greenbay.craigslist.org/cto/4470456587.html

                                  If you're interested I can go and look at them.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jdwud View Post
                                    '69 Olds Vista Cruiser, a little more than your 5000 Euros.
                                    http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/4495487950.html
                                    Not as nice and more expensive than the one posted above ;(


                                    Originally posted by jdwud View Post
                                    '67 Pontiac Catalina wagon, some visible rust in pics.
                                    http://greenbay.craigslist.org/cto/4470456587.html
                                    That would need quite a lot of work to get back into shape, I think.

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                                    8-track or cassette? Not sure...
                                    Battered and weary after the craziness of the 1960s, the self-righteousness of the 1970s and the greed of the 1980s, I want to go home again, oh, so desperately - home to that land of drive-in restaurants and Chevy Bel-Airs, making out and rock 'n' roll and drag races and Studebakers, Elvis and James Dean and black leather jackets. Not that I ever owned a black leather jacket.
                                    (Roger Ebert)

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                                      #19
                                      That is a much newer cassette deck. 8 tracks are a gapping hole in comparison.
                                      "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating" -Boss Tweed

                                      "No man's life, liberty or happiness are safe while Congress is in session,"- Mark Twain

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by GRtak View Post
                                        That is a much newer cassette deck. 8 tracks are a gapping hole in comparison.
                                        *pfew* that's good!
                                        Battered and weary after the craziness of the 1960s, the self-righteousness of the 1970s and the greed of the 1980s, I want to go home again, oh, so desperately - home to that land of drive-in restaurants and Chevy Bel-Airs, making out and rock 'n' roll and drag races and Studebakers, Elvis and James Dean and black leather jackets. Not that I ever owned a black leather jacket.
                                        (Roger Ebert)

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