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    Originally posted by mpicco View Post
    50 years of downforce and suddenly we need this why?
    Stupid gimmick. Expect it to be changed for something else next year, if it even remains allowed for the whole championship.
    It's all because of the dirty air problem and the fact that because of that, slipstreams/tows are greatly diminished from what they used to be. And no regulation will be able to restore that properly, so this substitute will have to do for the moment.

    And the Technical Working Group features engineers from the teams, and they will recommend rules which they can exploit to their advantage.



    This is the state of affairs in F1 nowadays. Get used to it, that's my only recommendation, because nothing we say will change anything.
    Last edited by vikiradTG2007; February 12th, 2011, 1:02 PM.
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      Originally posted by vikiradTG2007 View Post
      This is the state of affairs in F1 nowadays. Get used to it, that's my only recommendation, because nothing we say will change anything.
      Conformity has never been one of my qualities.. if it's a quality at all. And if F1 keeps losing viewers, we'll see about not seeing changes.

      Also I just noticed this last line in the regulation which I must have skipped...

      The FIA may, after consulting all competitors, adjust the above time proximity in order to ensure the stated purpose of the adjustable bodywork is met.
      Sounds like the first couple of races will be yet again a testing ground for these stupid new rules which then will be changed or scrapped or whatever. I hate so much shuffling of the rules, it makes everything a lottery.
      Last edited by mpicco; February 12th, 2011, 1:08 PM.

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        Literally no clue what that is. Some people are speculating that McLaren might be trying an FEE after all.

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          Airflow measurement systems, it's just a grid of pitot tubes. The two black boxes are probably the data acquisition systems.
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            Aerodynamics of the cars changed in that 50 years. The front wing (even after rule changes for 2009) looses a lot of it's downforce when car is in a dirty air. Also (they don't like to say about it) engineers do what they can to make air behind the car as dirty as they can. That doesn't help slip stream as well.
            Remember that F1 cars have drag coefficient which is similar to Cd of a cube. And allowing driver to change this on a straight will make a big difference.

            Don't get me wrong, I don't like this rule, because I think it is a little too complicated for most viewers. But I understand its point and I like the idea of active aero in general.

            Originally posted by mpicco View Post
            Also I just noticed this last line in the regulation which I must have skipped...
            Well, you can't do everything only using simulations. I think it's very reasonable, that if this rule will need some tweaks they should be done as fast as possible, not after the season. And thanks to that, there already were some changes (after meeting with teams). Like it can be used only in a 600m zone on a longest straight (IIRC).

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              Originally posted by ahpadt View Post
              ... McLaren might be trying an FEE after all.
              Sorry but, whats a FEE ? I know nuts about this..

              Ready for 0 to 100 KPH in 3.2 seconds in R mode ?

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                Front exiting exhaust.
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                  Originally posted by EsPpY View Post
                  Sorry but, whats a FEE ? I know nuts about this..
                  the setup renault is using atm, with the exhaust exiting in front of the sidepods...

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                    Some porn:

                    Fuel consumption: https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detai...ht/687230.html
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                      https://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/...-double-floor/

                      Now that's more elegant than the McLaren solution!

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                        Originally posted by WillDAQ View Post
                        https://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/...-double-floor/

                        Now that's more elegant than the McLaren solution!
                        The double floor is more of a diffuser optimiser while the U-sidepods are more of a rear wing optimiser if i'm not mistaken...

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                          Essentially yes, however I doubt that the improvement to the rear wing with U-pods with be as large as the improvement from a better diffuser flow...

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                            Look underneath the Vodafone logo.

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                              it's hard to make out, double floor? FEE?

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                                they already tested a fee in jerez.
                                Fuel consumption: https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detai...ht/687230.html
                                Gallery of the e30 restoration: https://db.tt/hbFq2YSh

                                www.LPEpower.com
                                If you want to contribute to the rebuild of the E30, paypal is: nicjasno@gmail.com

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                                  Originally posted by nicjasno View Post
                                  they already tested a fee in jerez.
                                  Absolutely no evidence of that.

                                  And what they are testing now is an exhaust that's exiting just underneath the Vodafone logo on the sidepods.

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                                    Originally posted by ahpadt View Post
                                    Look underneath the Vodafone logo.
                                    I see a cool air intake. Its got a Nos fogger system and a T4 turbo, Dominic. I see an AIC controller. It has direct-port nitrous injection, and a stand alone fuel management system. Not a bad way to spend 10,000 dollars.

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                                      I'm more interested by the fact that the McLaren is sporting wheels with rings just like the Ferrari. I don't think I've seen them before on the McLaren.

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                                        ahpadt: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/0...-a-front-exit/
                                        Fuel consumption: https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detai...ht/687230.html
                                        Gallery of the e30 restoration: https://db.tt/hbFq2YSh

                                        www.LPEpower.com
                                        If you want to contribute to the rebuild of the E30, paypal is: nicjasno@gmail.com

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                                          here, how has nobody posted this yet?

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