Air traffic controller allows own son to direct planes at New York airport

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NEW YORK (AP) ? An air traffic controller at New York's Kennedy Airport was suspended for allowing his young son to radio instructions to several pilots.

The few quick exchanges between the elementary-school-aged child and jets waiting to take off from JFK, one of the nation's busiest airports, appeared to delight pilots at the time.

"I wish I could bring my kid to work," one said, wistfully.

But the Federal Aviation Administration suspended the controller and a supervisor Wednesday after recordings of the calls were posted on the Internet, then reported on by a Boston television station.

"This lapse in judgment not only violated FAA's own policies, but common sense standards for professional conduct. These kinds of distractions are totally unacceptable," FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt said in a statement. "This kind of behavior does not reflect the true caliber of our work force."

On the recording, which lasts about a minute, the boy appears to repeat instructions fed to him by his father. At no time does the child tell aircraft how to maneuver or where they should go.

The FAA said it has also barred unofficial visits by friends or relatives to FAA air traffic operational areas while it reviews its policies.

Radio chatter between air traffic controllers and pilots is routinely streamed live on the Internet. A user of one popular Web site devoted to controller talk, LiveATC.net, posted a recording of the child's radio calls not long after they happened on Feb. 16 ? a date when many New York schoolchildren were on a midwinter break.

The boy made five transmissions to pilots preparing for departure, according to the recording.

"JetBlue 171 cleared for takeoff," the boy says in his first call. His father follows that up with a more detailed instruction for the aircraft, which was headed to Sacramento, Calif. He then offers an explanation to pilots on the air: "This is what you get, guys, when the kids are out of school."

In a second exchange, the boy instructs the same JetBlue flight to contact departure controllers. The pilot responds: "Over to departure JetBlue 171, awesome job!"

There are a few more similar exchanges. A pilot laughs. The boy can be overheard giggling.

In his last call, the youngster signs off, "Adios, amigo." The pilot responds in kind.

Based on the flight numbers called out during the exchange, the episode appears to have happened in the early evening, when JFK is often bustling with international flights.

The FAA offered scant detail on its investigation and wouldn't reveal the name of the controller or supervisor. Control towers are highly secure areas, although the agency does sometimes give employees permission to bring their children for a tour.

The union representing air traffic controllers condemned the worker's behavior.

"It is not indicative of the highest professional standards that controllers set for themselves and exceed each and everyday in the advancement of aviation safety," the National Air Traffic Controllers Association said in a statement.

LiveATC founder Dave Pascoe, a pilot and radio enthusiast, said he was sickened at the thought that the controller could be disciplined.

"I absolutely believe that this is being blown out of proportion," he said. "This is just a completely controlled situation. A child was being told exactly what to say."

He added: "I think it's just fantastic that this guy cared enough to take his kid to work. How many parents take their kids to work these days?"

The episode comes less than seven months after a controller at an airport in nearby Teterboro, N.J., was placed on leave for his actions in the moments leading up to a deadly crash between a helicopter and small plane over the Hudson River. The controller was recorded joking on the phone with his girlfriend as he dispatched instructions to the doomed plane. He ended the call when he realized the plane had dropped out of radio contact, just seconds before the crash.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124269603

I'm quite ambivalent about this one. Okay, I wouldn't want a kid directing a plane that I or my family is on. But then again, he was instructed to say exactly as his father directed (and they seem to be simple directions at that, clearing for take-offs, although if any aviation enthusiasts want to elaborate that would be much appreciated) and obviously the actual communication is very short and simple.

What do you guys think?
 
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I'm pretty ambivalent on this too. I mean, on the one hand it's dangerous, it's irresponsible, there are lives in the balance, etc. On the other...that's one cool dad.
 
While I don't really care (because I wasn't on those planes, and because the instructions were fairly simple), I agree with what the FAA did simply because it needs to draw a line somewhere. What next if they were to let this go?

"Hey son, wanna take over while daddy goes for a smoke?"
 
I saw a tv news promo for that and was trying to figure out just how the hell did that happen, now I guess I know. I do think it was a absolutely stupid thing for the dad to do, but yeah it appears to be simple instructions based on the article. Hopefully the guy won't get fired over this and parents won't lose the ability to take the kids on a tour over it.
 
While I don't really care (because I wasn't on those planes, and because the instructions were fairly simple), I agree with what the FAA did simply because it needs to draw a line somewhere. What next if they were to let this go?

"Hey son, wanna take over while daddy goes for a smoke?"
I reluctantly agree with you there.

I really want to say this is being blown out of proportion and it was a completely controlled situation but still, you gotta make people understand not to toy with human lives.
 
I dunno, I don't see what the big deal is. The kid wasn't directing traffic, he was just repeating what his dad said. When I was a kid I introduced a song on-air for my DJ stepdad. Similar situation. Bigger stakes, sure, but does it really make a difference? I'm sure if anything had gone wrong the dad would have stepped in.
 
None of the instructions relayed by the child could have possibly led to a crash or death, they were all routine checks. Blown completely out of proportion.
 
Yep, I agree with Spicy and BCS, it isn't a big deal.
 
I think it's out of proportion. They were both on headsets, clearly, and the father could have instantly corrected any mistakes the child relayed. Heck, I've had trainee controllers get overridden by senior controllers during live operations.

Steve
 
I agree it's blown totally out of proportion and there was no risk to anyone, but the fact of the matter is people are so fucking stupid that Koenig's situation is absolutely possible. It's a case of one person ruining it for everyone. Totally sucks. I hate morons.

While I don't really care (because I wasn't on those planes, and because the instructions were fairly simple), I agree with what the FAA did simply because it needs to draw a line somewhere. What next if they were to let this go?

"Hey son, wanna take over while daddy goes for a smoke?"
 
I think he should be punished, but being fired is probably a bit OTT. The supervisor being fired is also a bit WTF.

As a student pilot, I'd be far more likely to screw up my tower radio transmissions than a kid with his knowledgable father telling him EXACTLY what to say. I can understand the FAA's stance on it, but my personal opinion is like other people here - The whole thing is being blown out of proportion.
 
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"Okie big yellow plane I want you to go vroom". "Then big red plane you stay there while the yellow plane goes BOOM crash".







Seriously even if those instructions were relayed to the pilots would they heed it? Don't think so.
 
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When aircraft are cleared for takeoff at busy airports, additional instructions are often relayed right after the clearance directive, so it would be something like "JetBlue 191, cleared for takeoff runway 32L, watch the Avianca A330 taking off 32R, winds 30 at 65" - or whatever, I don't recall the exact terminology and it varies across countries. In this case, it sounds like the kid only said the "cleared for takeoff" part while the father then elaborated.

While it does seem like a "OMGWTFISHEDOING" kind of thing, if I was a pilot at the time I would have thought nothing of it. But I agree that a line needs to be drawn somewhere and that this guy was pretty close to overstepping it.
 
Listened to this, and the worst that could have happened if the kid said anything wrong (IMO) would have been a plane o the wrong station for a bit until they queried. He wasn't doing METARS, hyeadings, etc, just simple radio handoffs. I have heard worse things happen on liveATC (best one was a near TCAS resolution due to an idiot controller sending two planes to the same runway at the same time- said 16R instead of 16L and I sat there shitting myself for 5 mins because I knew he had made a mistake. Nearly called the airport! :lol:) by experienced controllers. If it was complex stuff, like lining up planes for descent, headings, etc, I would be worried, but this isn't too bad IMO.
 
Fail controller..

Distractions while working result in things getting missed. The most likely scenario in this case would not have been that one of the aircraft his son was talking to crashed but rather that the controller was distracted by his son and didn't notice a problem develop elsewhere until lots of people were dead...
 
When aircraft are cleared for takeoff at busy airports, additional instructions are often relayed right after the clearance directive, so it would be something like "JetBlue 191, cleared for takeoff runway 32L, watch the Avianca A330 taking off 32R, winds 30 at 65" - or whatever, I don't recall the exact terminology and it varies across countries. In this case, it sounds like the kid only said the "cleared for takeoff" part while the father then elaborated.

While it does seem like a "OMGWTFISHEDOING" kind of thing, if I was a pilot at the time I would have thought nothing of it. But I agree that a line needs to be drawn somewhere and that this guy was pretty close to overstepping it.
That will surely give one a new hairdo!
 
I don't see how the FAA could take any other stance. Otherwise, they'd basically be opening themselves up to letting everyone do this... and the first accident that happened when someone's offspring was within a square kilometer, shit would hit the fan.

That's one cool dad, though.
 
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