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    Philly Police Union Looks To Oust Retired Cop

    The Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police is looking to strip a retired captain of his union membership,


    edited to add the strike throughs that did not copy.
    Last edited by GRtak; May 8th, 2012, 4:04 PM.
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      You might want to copy the strike-throughs over as well, else the first paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.
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        What is it with Terrorists and under pants FCS. Do you think that this is all an elaborate excuse for some fondling and playing with undies?

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17994493

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          There are about ten billion ways to kill people and create terror that don't involve the expense or effort of hijacking air travel. Either Al Qaeda is as inept as G.I. Joe's Cobra or all this is bullshit.

          Typed from the public school I work at which has no security whatsoever.
          bogative ?

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            Originally posted by Cobol74 View Post
            What is it with Terrorists and under pants FCS. Do you think that this is all an elaborate excuse for some fondling and playing with undies?

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17994493
            Just another shitty attempt...





            Originally posted by argatoga View Post
            There are about ten billion ways to kill people and create terror that don't involve the expense or effort of hijacking air travel. Either Al Qaeda is as inept as G.I. Joe's Cobra or all this is bullshit.

            Typed from the public school I work at which has no security whatsoever.

            I just think they think it is funny to make the TSA fondle everyones crotch.
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              The thing about all those controls is, that they only create annoyance in those effected and a false sense of safety in those who aren't. Do they really believe, that an intelligent terrorist will fly in from overseas and land in New York with a bomb in his luggage?

              The USA don't have a terror problem, they have a fear-of-terror problem. 9/11 was 10 years ago and I'm quite sure, that in that time more Americans were murdered by Americans, than died in those Twin Towers.

              Protection is an illusion. You cannot effectively protect a country from purposeful intruders, that has thousands of miles of unguarded borders. If stuff like the TSA is to have any effect at all, you consequently have to build a 10 meter high wall around the USA and secure it with mine fields. Otherwise it just has a placebo effect.

              If the terrorists will ever get their hands on a nuke, they will probably simply stick it into a container, send it to New York and blow it up 1 mile away from the city. Job done.
              Last edited by MacGuffin; May 9th, 2012, 7:17 AM.
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                  So the UK government is reversing the only decent decision made in our 2010 defence review:

                  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...y_bae_and_raf/
                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-fighter-jets

                  So not only will we be getting two wildly overpriced aircraft carriers, but we will also be putting the least capable version of an already wildly overpriced and substandard aircraft on one of them (because the other will be immediately mothballed). Mind boggles.

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                    Originally posted by narf View Post
                    Can't expect anything good from a Kenyan Muslim Communist Terrorist I guess
                    You forgot ateist.

                    Originally posted by GRtak View Post


                    edited to add the strike throughs that did not copy.
                    Police unions are a serious issue in terms of officer accountability in the US. That said, they're also redicilously idiotic in cases like this.

                    In other news, there are some indications that the student fee riots may not have been as black and white as certain wannabe-Thatchers in the Queen's govenrment might have believed.

                    the Guardian; Nadine El-Enany: Anti-fees protesters' trials are putting policing in the dock

                    Courts are seeing an abundance of footage of police violence and intimidation as two more student protesters are acquitted

                    Two more student protesters, brothers Christopher and Andrew Hilliard, have been acquitted of charges of violent disorder relating to the anti-fees demo of 9 December 2010. The unanimous verdicts, which the jury took only two hours to reach, came hot on the heels of similar not-guilty verdicts for three other defendants. This brings the total to 11 acquittals in violent disorder cases relating to that one demo. This high rate of acquittals together with the disproportionate number of hung juries resulting from the protest cases demonstrate that the CPS is failing to prove that students engaged in unlawful violence at the 2010 protests.

                    Instead, courts are being treated to abundant footage of police violence and intimidation, involving containment, the indiscriminate use of batons and horses charging peaceful, static, kettled demonstrators with nowhere to run.

                    The Hilliard brothers were accused of pulling a mounted police officer off his horse at the demo. In 2009, Christopher Hilliard had visited parliament as part of an NUS delegation and secured the pledges of many MPs not to increase tuition fees. Much about the Hilliards' case exemplifies the politicised nature of the prosecutions of the student protesters. David Cameron himself risked influencing the outcome of the legal process when he publicly drew attention to the case, insisting that police had been "dragged off horses and beaten". The reality is that young people have not only been denied access to education and jobs through the abolition of the education maintenance allowance and the rise in tuition fees, but they are also being injured, demonised and criminalised when they protest about it.

                    Much of the Hilliards' defence benefited from a vast amount of footage located by the defendants themselves. The court was shown footage of a mounted officer pulling Christopher Hilliard's hair so hard that Hilliard is forced on to the tips of his toes in the moments before the officer comes off his horse. The defence argued that it was this, along with the officer's failure to follow the normal procedure of tightening the girth on his horse, that led to his unseating. Despite eight police officers alleging they witnessed the four or five seconds during which the officer became unseated, all said they happened to be looking away in the moments leading up to this. The disparity between the mounted officer's version of events and what the footage showed prompted Andrew Hilliard's barrister to tell the jury, he "must think you don't have eyes in your head".

                    The Hilliards are now investigating the possibility of having criminal proceedings initiated against the police.

                    What have we learned from the trial? That public order policing today is in a state of deep crisis, from the death of a bystander at the G20 protest in 2009, the serious head injury suffered by a student at the 9 December 2010 demo, to the numerous protesters wrongly charged with violent disorder.

                    The Hilliard brothers' victory is a victory not only for the acquitted protesters, but also for all those fighting to defend the right to protest. There's no greater feat in court than successfully disputing the word of a police officer, but the student protest cases, along with the recent, but by no means exceptional, spate of allegations of racism and corruption in the Met, are steadily undermining the perception in much of the public's mind that the police are necessarily a trustworthy, peaceful force for good.
                    I know this is a comment piece, but it sums it up pretty well, so why the hell not.

                    In other news, the Met might have to bring out kettling again, as a bunch of anarchists highly trained in the use of violence, will come to London to protest.

                    Guardian: Gloucestershire chief constable to join police protest march
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                      Wether it's random or even political might be up for debate, but what the heck.

                      died today.


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                        ^ Must spread som WW2 heroes around... Can someone cover me on that...?

                        I was going to post something like that myself, but I see you made a much better post nomix. Kjakan is a true legend, his efforts made a truly big impact, may he rest in peace.

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                          Originally posted by jmsprovan View Post
                          So the UK government is reversing the only decent decision made in our 2010 defence review:

                          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...y_bae_and_raf/
                          http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-fighter-jets

                          So not only will we be getting two wildly overpriced aircraft carriers, but we will also be putting the least capable version of an already wildly overpriced and substandard aircraft on one of them (because the other will be immediately mothballed). Mind boggles.
                          Not to mention they cannot take an adequate AWACS (a helo with a small radar hung out the is a piss poor way of doing things when you have such massive shipt) type aircraft or take any naval drones that are coming in the next few decades.
                          Also the USN was saying EMALS and the arrestor set would cost 500 million pounds installed with parts and crew training not that massive figure the UK government was quoting. This smells like a politically driven decision rather than a capability driven one.
                          "The beatings will continue until morale improves".

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                            You're still getting a better capability than the old class of carriers with Harriers. And for fighting piss poor nations that can't afford bread or find the keys to their armoured cars, that gives you even better capabilities to project force.

                            As long as you never find yourself in a war with Russia or China. Or the states. Or Argentina. Although you've probably done the software fixes to stop Exocet now.
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                              Originally posted by jasonof2000 View Post
                              Not to mention they cannot take an adequate AWACS (a helo with a small radar hung out the is a piss poor way of doing things when you have such massive shipt) type aircraft or take any naval drones that are coming in the next few decades.
                              Also the USN was saying EMALS and the arrestor set would cost 500 million pounds installed with parts and crew training not that massive figure the UK government was quoting. This smells like a politically driven decision rather than a capability driven one.
                              Pretty much, its summed up very well by The Spectator: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05...u_turn_idiocy/

                              tl: dr, BAE has the government by the nads by quoting a massively inflated EMAS conversion price because they know if its installed then they will lose a tonne of contracts down the road.

                              Farce.

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                                "Without force, in fact, could one conceive of life?...Recourse of thought, instrument of action, condition for movement, that midwife is necessary for giving birth to progress. Shield of lords, rampart of crowns, battering ram of revolutions, it is responsible, in turn, for order and liberty. Cradle of cities, scepter of empires, gravedigger of decadence, force gives laws to peoples and rules their destiny."
                                I have been reading The French Army In Politics 1945-1962 by John Steward Ambler and this quote by Charles de Gaulle, written in 1932, is given as an example of the political thought of some higher ranking French military officials during the interwar period.
                                "I saw myself founding a new religion, marching
                                into Asia riding an elephant, a turban on my
                                head and in my hands the new Koran I would
                                have written to suit my needs." - Napoléon Bonaparte

                                "More than 60,000 Germans fell, not beneath the
                                Roman arms and weapons, but, grander far,
                                before our delighted eyes. May the tribes, I pray,
                                ever retain if not love for us, at least hatred for
                                each other; for while the destinies of empire bear
                                hard upon us, fortune can give no greater boon
                                than discord among our foes." - Germania, Tacitus

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                                  Originally posted by nomix View Post
                                  You're still getting a better capability than the old class of carriers with Harriers. And for fighting piss poor nations that can't afford bread or find the keys to their armoured cars, that gives you even better capabilities to project force.

                                  As long as you never find yourself in a war with Russia or China. Or the states. Or Argentina. Although you've probably done the software fixes to stop Exocet now.
                                  There is an expression in designing a ship "steel is cheap and air is free" however these ships weigh much more and are overall larger than the smaller yet superior French carrier.
                                  Aircraft like Harrier or F-35B are great for a secondary capability like on US amphibs or on cheap and cheerful small carriers like the Invincible class or the Giuseppe Garibaldi but for something so massive? Typical British bespoke idiocy (same as the Nimrod AEW and Nimrod MR4, the original design of the Type 42 destroyer, the Chinook saga and the half asses design of the Type 45).

                                  Originally posted by jmsprovan View Post
                                  Pretty much, its summed up very well by The Spectator: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05...u_turn_idiocy/

                                  tl: dr, BAE has the government by the nads by quoting a massively inflated EMAS conversion price because they know if its installed then they will lose a tonne of contracts down the road.

                                  Farce.
                                  The RN should of gotten a price quote for conversion from Newport News Virginia if only for a sanity check and to keep BAE honest.
                                  "The beatings will continue until morale improves".

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                                    Elections today in the federal State of Northrhine Westphalia ... win for the already governing Social democrat & green coalition, but now with a majority (was a minority goverment so far). Pirates 7.8% , "the left" (radical socialist) fell to 2.5% - and with that out of parliment.
                                    Surprisingly the federal democrats (Liberals) stopped their downward spiral from the last elections and secured their place in parliment as the 4th strongest party. The Christian Democrats of Chancellor Merkel took a dive of minus 8%.
                                    All not really surprising but sadly, not even 60% voter turnout.
                                    Last edited by Interrobang; May 13th, 2012, 9:51 PM.

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                                      The only politician with character stopped the FDP downspiral a week earlier



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                                        Originally posted by Interrobang View Post
                                        All not really surprising but sadly, not even 60% voter turnout.
                                        that is pretty good, the UK local elections 2 weeks ago had a turnout of 30%.

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