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    The slight dip the Democrats seem to have taken is not enough to make the hole the republicans are in(generally) matter.
    "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating" -Boss Tweed

    We’ve gone from 'Hope and Change' to 'Hope and Change Your Story.' -Bill Maher

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      Damn, that radical left think tank is at it again spreading it's anti-capitalist agenda!

      https://twitter.com/wef/status/1048615143133913088
      Last edited by Interrobang; October 7th, 2018, 12:36 PM. Reason: added smiley - for the dumb.

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        Damn commies!!!

        "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating" -Boss Tweed

        We’ve gone from 'Hope and Change' to 'Hope and Change Your Story.' -Bill Maher

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          Originally posted by GRtak View Post


          Compared to the republicans? You need to look back at the hypocrisy from the 90s.
          90's were nearly 20 years ago.
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            Originally posted by Interrobang View Post
            Damn, that radical left think tank is at it again spreading it's anti-capitalist agenda!

            https://twitter.com/wef/status/1048615143133913088
            Would love to see the actual metrics and design of the study. If there is a lot "social mobility" on paper doesn't mean a whole lot when you are taxed to death.
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              If you actually get a highly functioning country for your taxes, it's not so bad.

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                Originally posted by DanRoM View Post
                If you actually get a highly functioning country for your taxes, it's not so bad.
                Pretty sure taxes and highly functioning country are antipodes
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                  Originally posted by prizrak View Post
                  Pretty sure taxes and highly functioning country are antipodes
                  I guess you mean "high taxes", not taxes generally. No country can function without taxation of some form or level. The only Countries that have tried a no-tax approach are Comunist countries. Like North Korea. And of course NK is a great example for a functioning country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_North_Korea

                  What measurements does one apply to find out how well a country functions? I'd argue Corrpution is a good indicator and Denmark (as well as other "high taxes" Nations) from Northern Europe do very well in that aspect while some of the lowest taxed nations like China, Russia or Irak - do very badly there.
                  Last edited by Interrobang; October 8th, 2018, 11:49 AM.

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                    Originally posted by Interrobang View Post

                    I guess you mean "high taxes", not taxes generally. No country can function without taxation of some form or level. The only Countries that have tried a no-tax approach are Comunist countries. Like North Korea. And of course NK is a great example for a functioning country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_North_Korea

                    What measurements does one apply to find out how well a country functions? I'd argue Corrpution is a good indicator and Denmark (as well as other "high taxes" Nations) from Northern Europe do very well in that aspect while some of the lowest taxed nations like China, Russia or Irak - do very badly there.
                    Taxation is theft
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                      Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
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                        Originally posted by 93Flareside View Post
                        Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
                        That's the point. It's "I'd rather see civilisation gone then to contribute to society." - throwing us all back to 3000 BC. Yeah, around the Time writing became a thing People did. But sure, these people without taxation were probably much better off then we are now. Better not invest in this thing called civilisation, who knows where that may lead humanity

                        I think that line of thought is about as stupid as those hippies that want us to stop all industry and live in huts without electricty again and if possible stop eating meat because it's murder. I'm not going back to the bronze age, no thx. Not for people who wanna hug the planet, nor for people who just really don't want to contribute to society.
                        Last edited by Interrobang; October 8th, 2018, 2:26 PM.

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                          Originally posted by 93Flareside View Post
                          Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
                          https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/...tholes/519588/ - Anarchists in Portland fixing pothole because government can't/won't. Dunno bout your town in NYC sidewalks are to be taken care of by property owners adjacent to said sidewalk.

                          That's the point. It's "I'd rather see civilisation gone then to contribute to society." - throwing us all back to 3000 BC. Yeah, around the Time writing became a thing People did. But sure, these people without taxation were probably much better off then we are now. Better not invest in this thing called civilisation, who knows where that may lead humanity
                          I contribute to society via VOLUNTARY transactions, why should my labor be taken from me by force?

                          Might wanna check your timeline, the Sumerian civilization existed long before 3000BC, had writing, taxes and even codified laws and lawyers. So you know maybe first learn about the thing you want to talk about and then talk? (just a thought..)
                          Last edited by prizrak; October 8th, 2018, 2:32 PM.
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                            Originally posted by prizrak View Post
                            [...] Might wanna check your timeline, the Sumerian civilization existed long before 3000BC, had writing, taxes and even codified laws and lawyers. So you know maybe first learn about the thing you want to talk about and then talk? (just a thought..)
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language

                            Sumerian, yes. But their writing has only been proven to have existed around 3000BC. Sumerian written Laws (and lawyers) can be traced back to 2100BC - earlier, so that concept is even younger.

                            What you're doing is taking the peak of Sumerian civilisation and dating them back to their beginnings. Like they just appeared are were wonderfully cívilizied. But their civilisation (as far as we know) lasted 2600 years. You wouldn't say the ancient greeks had space travel, Internet and techno music, would you?

                            So I first learned about the thing I wanted to talk about and then talked. I will now accept your apology. (just a thought ...)
                            Last edited by Interrobang; October 9th, 2018, 10:44 AM.

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                              Taxes aren’t the problem, those in power with access to the tax revenue are what’s wrong.
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                                Originally posted by Disinterested Observer

                                Just wondering something here. Have you ever thought about suicide as an option? Just curious. It might be showing a distinct lack of self-awareness.

                                What the actual fuck?
                                "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating" -Boss Tweed

                                We’ve gone from 'Hope and Change' to 'Hope and Change Your Story.' -Bill Maher

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                                  Flag, report, prepare for BanHammerization.

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                                    Originally posted by 93Flareside View Post
                                    Taxes aren’t the problem, those in power with access to the tax revenue are what’s wrong.
                                    There will always be someone in power with access to the tax revenue that does something that you or I, or someone else won't like.
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                                      Originally posted by Disinterested Observer

                                      Just wondering something here. Have you ever thought about suicide as an option? Just curious. It might be showing a distinct lack of self-awareness.
                                      I prefer homicide, it decreases traffic.
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                                        Originally posted by 93Flareside View Post
                                        Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
                                        A few things to address here and I have to be brief because I'm about to run into a meeting.

                                        1) Google who will build the roads. Plenty of analyses on that one.
                                        2) Local governments can build the roads, you don't need the federal government for that.
                                        3) Before the federal income tax, the federal government had money...
                                        4) Taxation is literally someone taking your money without your permission at gun point. How is that not theft? It literally means that you are not entitled to the fruits of your own labor. Even if you think that taxation is a net positive for society, it's still highly immoral.
                                        5) A significant portion of taxes goes to people that aren't me or you and services that we may never use.
                                        ​​​​​​6) About a third of my taxable income goes towards taxes. That means that from January to April I work to subsidize the government. How is that ethical?
                                        ​​​​​7) The government is incredibly wasteful with my money. My state has very high taxes but our roads are terrible, for example. The post office is horribly outdated and outclassed by private competitors. Bureaucracy results in large fees for services on top of taxes, as well as strong unions that mean that no one can get fired; having worked closely with the government, it's incredible how many useless people it employs that add zero value but cannot be fired.
                                        8) When my income is taxed, any further taxes (sales, gas, property, etc) are double-taxation. Again, highly immoral imho.
                                        Last edited by LeVeL; October 9th, 2018, 4:17 PM.
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                                          I really should clarify, my problem is very specifically income and property taxes. I am fine with consumption based taxes because I make the choice on whether I participate in those taxes.
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