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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2014/sep/26/nigel-farage-phrase-generator
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You know of course, that Switzerland pretty much adopted all EU regulations and is more or less following all EU standards, right?
Yes, of course - so we have a head start as we already do.

Now you see the difference between you Yupes and us? We would say "Well that is up to x,t or Z country to decide, and stay out of it other than saying we would prefer you to stay". What actually happens is that you guys start getting involved in an an argument that does not concern you, it's for the UK to decide.

Perhaps one reason is that we pay so much in and get so little out, or are you telling me that we are richer for being in? It does not feel like it, all we got was a load of insane regulations. Any way I will now shut up until the results of the two by-elections are known.
 
It seems we probably have a completely different point of view of the European Union. While you (and many of your countrymen) seem to percieve the EU as an economical association, I consider it a peace project above everything else... and everything we pay for it, is an investment into the future of our continent, so our children and grandchildren can also grow up and live in a peaceful Europe.

Maybe that sounds a bit lofty but I believe that the peace we have now, is not guaranteed forever. I believe we actively have to continue on working for it to become permanent. We are not there yet.
 
So you don't agree that a union like the EU is about give and take? [...]

How did you get that impression? The power to misread something must be strong in you when you take that away from the line I wrote ... ;)
The rubbish is the "everyone else has no problems to follow [EU rules]". Every Eu-State and their Dog have/voice problems following EU-rules and regulations and are campaining against it. Germany included. Making the EU out as one big happy family and Britian being the only one "out of line", is very far away from the truth.
That?s what I?m saying. Britain may be the loudest complaing voice, but it is the loudest voice in a whole choir ...

Yes, the EU (and even organisational-structures such as countries or down to villages) are about giving and taking. I?m not arguing against that. I?m opposing the Idea that there are no other countries in the EU besides Britain that oppose certain EU-laws and regulations. Actually that may be the only thing all Eu-countries have in common ... that they all have problems to some sort of degree with what comes out of the EU concerning rules and regulations ...
 
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It's okay that we clarified that :) And for the record: Yes, there is trouble in all countries about the EU. But the perception is that despite all the complaining there is still an overall agreement that the EU is good for Europe and that the continent would be worse off without it.

However, a big part of the British population apparently thinks differently. If you ask for my personal opinion, they suffer from what we call "island mentality". It's part of the British self-conception that they don't need the continent for their well-being. Maybe that's right. I have my doubts about that but hey, I might be wrong. The thing is, though: If they want out, it's okay for me. But that would mean no influence anymore. As Cobol74 said: Like the Swiss.

Switzerland, however, is being percieved as cute and a bit excentric but completely unimportant in the scheme of things. Overstating it a bit, Switzerland to most Europeans is mountains, banks, chocolate, cheese, yodelling and skiing - all very nice but nobody is really bothered by them and they are being considered completely harmless.

I seriously doubt, though, that the British are satisfied with being seen like that, too ;)
 
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It seems we probably have a completely different point of view of the European Union. While you (and many of your countrymen) seem to percieve the EU as an economical association, I consider it a peace project above everything else... and everything we pay for it, is an investment into the future of our continent, so our children and grandchildren can also grow up and live in a peaceful Europe.

Maybe that sounds a bit lofty but I believe that the peace we have now, is not guaranteed forever. I believe we actively have to continue on working for it to become permanent. We are not there yet.

It would only not be peaceful if you continentals would not stop trying to kill each other. I urge you to read 1984 - that has power blocks in it too, and a warning.

I agree with you the EU was sold to us as a market, we were told how much better you all were than us and we'd get much richer if we joined with 100s of millions potential new customers. Then we found oil and the GBP went to 2.40 against the USD and we priced ourselves out of these markets and that shut our industry down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four
 
Does he know from experience?
 
It would only not be peaceful if you continentals would not stop trying to kill each other

You see, it's that kind of "us and them" thinking, together with hair-raising generalizations, that sometimes irritates "us continentals". Obviously you think Britain is a shelter of peace in Europe and somehow better than the rest.

Well, it's not. Britain might not currently be in conflict with any European countries but that doesn't mean it can't be in the future. It was in the past after all. And if you ask me, if Britain seperates itself from the EU, the chances of clashing together are higher than now. So what makes you say you are different from continental Europe? I don't think that many of your countrymen would agree with your point of view anyway. I think the Scots think completely different, not sure about the Welsh but the Irish definitely would like to have a word...
 
To those British people who are anti-EU, can I just ask how you can possibly destroy something from within, from without?
 
So the UKIP leader who replaced Farage resigned on Oct 5th
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37559186

Steven Woolfe was treated in Strasbourg after he collapsed following the quarrel with colleague Mike Hookem at a meeting of UKIP MEPs on Thursday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37606386

'I never punched him in the face': Mike Hookem

MEP Woolfe quits 'death spiral' UKIP
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37682828

Where did it all go wrong for UKIP?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37584412

Donkey rape story man runs for UKIP leadership
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-37753012
 
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