2016 USA Presidential Elections

LeVeL said:
They're already paying for the wall - they just lost a $1.6bil Ford plant, for example.
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The ones going to be paying for that will be Ford Customers and/or shareholders. Either with higher prices because the cars cannot be build as cheap anymore or the shareholders which are going to see their company make less of a profit (when they don't raise the prices).

True is that Mexico is not going to be seeing any money from that plant - but this isn't necessarily all that good a thing for american customers or shareholders.
 
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The reason it's cheaper to build in Mexico is lower taxes and less regulations. (and no UAW) Trump said that he plans to lower corporate taxes and lessen regulations here in America, which should make doing business in America more competitive. People keep saying the cars will get more expensive, but you're forgetting that car companies still have to be competitive with each other. If the upcoming reintroduced Ford Ranger costs 50% more than a Chevrolet Colorado or Toyota Tacoma, then they might as well not even start production.
 
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TC said:
The reason it's cheaper to build in Mexico is lower taxes and less regulations. (and no UAW) Trump said that he plans to lower corporate taxes and lessen regulations here in America, which should make doing business in America more competitive. People keep saying the cars will get more expensive, but you're forgetting that car companies still have to be competitive with each other. If the upcoming reintroduced Ford Ranger costs 50% more than a Chevrolet Colorado or Toyota Tacoma, then they might as well not even start production.
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Not to mention that plenty of cars are already built stateside. My Legacy was built in Indiana, Camry is somewhere in the south (can't remember the state), tons of stuff is still built in Dearborn, MI where Ford is expanding the plant. Automation and sophisticated robotics does wonders for decreasing production costs.
 
mpicco said:
But not to create jobs.
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Not quite true, you need engineers to keep the machines running but of course that's a much smaller number of jobs than a human assembly line.

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mpicco said:
http://www.giulianisecurity.com/ can't be reached right now. Someone might have been having fun
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Heard he took it down because it was so insecure. His an old Italian man from NYC, his "security" is a bunch of goons that go for the kneecaps.
 
prizrak said:
Not quite true, you need engineers to keep the machines running but of course that's a much smaller number of jobs than a human assembly line.
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That's the whole point. You said it does wonders to lower the cost, I said it does wonders to cut on workforce. Why reply to say "no" then prove my point?
 
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mpicco said:
That's the whole point. You said it does wonders to lower the cost, I said it does wonders to cut on workforce. Why reply to say "no" then prove my point?
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Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, it does create a small number of specialist jobs but nowhere near what people think. However I was only talking about cars (or anything else) not necessarily being more expensive due to being built in US or Canada vs Mexico or Brazil, because automation lowers costs.

The basic truth is that manufacturing jobs are going away permanently and anyone who thinks they can be brought back is either woefully uninformed or delusional.
 
Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's frustration as FBI sat on Donald Trump Russia file for months

However, say security sources, Mr Steele became increasingly frustrated that the FBI was failing to take action on the intelligence from others as well as him. He came to believe there was a cover-up, that a cabal within the Bureau blocked a thorough inquiry into Mr Trump, focusing instead on the investigation into Hillary Clinton?s emails.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-hacking-christopher-steele-mi6-a7526901.html

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Think the American political system will stop Donald Trump exercising ultimate power? The same was said about Turkey?s President Erdogan
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-president-elect-turkey-president-erdogan-absolute-power-terrifying-parallels-patrick-a7526176.html
 
LeVeL said:
They're already paying for the wall - they just lost a $1.6bil Ford plant, for example.
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When Trump said that he would get Mexico to pay for the wall I had something more direct in mind. Like for instance he sends them a bill with the construction cost or something. Maybe I was the only one though...
 
CD82 said:
When Trump said that he would get Mexico to pay for the wall I had something more direct in mind. Like for instance he sends them a bill with the construction cost or something. Maybe I was the only one though...
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Sorry but that's silly. Mexico would never simply hand over $20bil and I also don't think that a straightforward negotiation could be made around the wall, seeing as Trump isn't exactly willing to bargain on, say, trade. The more realistic ways to do it is indirect - through tariffs, through trade (the Ford plant falls under this umbrella), or through freezing money transfers from the US into Mexico - the point is to make Mexico feel the pain and pressure them into negotiations that would heavily favor the US.
 
LeVeL said:
[....] or through freezing money transfers from the US into Mexico
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These are the sort of sanctions that usually are set in place once a country really does something bad. Like invading another country, killing it's own people ... that sort of stuff. Now we're going to see some of these used to gain a better position in (what boils down to) an economic dispute ...

[...] the point is to make Mexico feel the pain and pressure them into negotiations that would heavily favor the US.
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Because having a good relationship with your neighbours on a geopolitical level is soooo overrated ... :bunny:

What I am saying is: This is a dangerous game Trump seems to wanna play. Like really dangerous.
 
12 million people entering another country under the cover of darkness without any authorization to do so kinda sounds like an invasion, doesn't it? The fact is that we have a huge issue with illegal border crossings and Mexico doesn't give a damn about it.
 
Interrobang said:
These are the sort of sanctions that usually are set in place once a country really does something bad. Like invading another country, killing it's own people ... that sort of stuff. Now we're going to see some of these used to gain a better position in (what boils down to) an economic dispute ...
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It's good to be a superpower isn't it?
Because having a good relationship with your neighbours on a geopolitical level is soooo overrated ... :bunny:

What I am saying is: This is a dangerous game Trump seems to wanna play. Like really dangerous.
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Mexico depends on US business much more than US depends on Mexico, they simply don't have the resources to cause US any real worry.
 
prizrak said:
It's good to be a superpower isn't it?[...]
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Which is exactly the sort of thinking that I consider so extremely dangerous. And the Us has historically already used it's power for their own interests a lot. This would mark another low-point, one which would certainly not go unanswered.

The wheel of escalation is hard to reign in again once it is set in motion ...

[...]Mexico depends on US business much more than US depends on Mexico, they simply don't have the resources to cause US any real worry.
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Other Superpowers have these resources. And if Mexico snuggles up to them in their time of need, the Cuban Missile Crisis will feel like a fond memory compared to this ...
 
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