BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

My area was one of only a few in the north of England that voted remain so at least I'm not surrounded by morons. What really annoys me is I suspect a sizeable chunk voted just to kick Cameron and the "establishment", they probably gave no thought to the consequences.
 
My area was one of only a few in the north of England that voted remain so at least I'm not surrounded by morons. What really annoys me is I suspect a sizeable chunk voted just to kick Cameron and the "establishment", they probably gave no thought to the consequences.

Maybe a backlash against Tory austerity.

Nissan are suing the vote leave for falsely claiming they supported Brexit. Makes no sense Sunderland would vote leave.

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So will Boris move into 10th Downing Street now?
That would be awesome!
 
I honestly doubt he has the courage to follow Cameron and lead the negotiations with the EU...

Could harm is popularity and reputation, you know...
 
In what way?
Well, I think he was awesome as major of London.
Just the way he handles himself, not taking himself too seriously.
I would also like to see Donald Trump as the US president.
Mostly because I do enjoy a good circus.
 
It's happened immediately:

[h=1]Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish independence vote 'highly likely'[/h]
Scotland's first minister has said a second independence referendum is "highly likely" after the UK voted to leave the EU.Nicola Sturgeon said it was "democratically unacceptable" that Scotland faced the prospect of being taken out of the EU against its will.
She said the Scottish government would begin preparing legislation to enable another independence vote.
Scotland voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38%.
 
BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

Haven't really followed Brexit closely but is it accurate to say that the vote essentially hinged on immigration?

Not necessarily but if people should believe so, they'll be in for a big surprise.

Because in order to keep the access to the European market, Britain would also need to follow its rules. And one rule is to let EU citizens roam freely within the EU. That's why it's possible for Germans to live and work in Switzerland for instance.

For immigrants from outside the EU nothing will change.
 
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Personally I'm happy for the UK to have voted as they did. Short term there might be some issues and people preaching doom et all but long term it's for the better. The EU as it has become is an undemocratic seizure of power lead by people who think they know best (while on a daily basis showcasing that they don't) or by people who personally benefit from such a change. The EUSSR is becoming a reality.

Get out while you can, avoid terrible and dangerous nonsense like TTIP in the process, regain control and operate from your own strengths instead. Long term it's the best solution, I hope that we'll follow the UK soonish.
 
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It has already started, in the self-interest of the EU (obviously):

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36618317

EU referendum: UK 'must not delay leaving'

EU leaders have insisted that the UK must move swiftly to negotiate leaving the organisation, saying any delay would prolong uncertainty.

European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker stressed the "Union of the remaining 27 members will continue".

The UK voted by 52% to 48% to leave the EU, and David Cameron has announced he will step down as PM by October.

He has said it will be up to the new PM to invoke the article that will begin the UK's withdrawal.

Global stock markets fell heavily on the Brexit news and the value of the pound has also fallen dramatically.

Mr Juncker went into crisis talks with European parliament president Martin Schulz, president of the European Council Donald Tusk and Dutch PM Mark Rutte on Friday morning

They then released a statement saying they regretted but respected the British decision.

They called for the UK "to give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty".

They said: "We stand ready to launch negotiations swiftly with the United Kingdom regarding the terms and conditions of its withdrawal from the European Union."
No UK favours - By Chris Morris, BBC Europe correspondent

The sense of shock is palpable. EU leaders are struggling to come to terms with a huge setback for those who believe in the idea of European unity. The EU will never be the same again without the UK.

It is also clear the leaders want negotiations on a political and economic divorce to move swiftly. That means they want the UK to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty - the mechanism under which separation will be negotiated - as soon as next week, rather than wait for a new British prime minister in October.

In other words, tensions are already coming to the surface. And even though all sides are emphasising the need for co-operation, in many capitals there will be little appetite for doing the UK any favours.

Europe's political order has been overturned - with far-reaching consequences that no-one can accurately predict.

They added that the deal agreed with Mr Cameron in February to protect London's financial markets, curb immigration and opt out of closer union "ceases to exist" and "there will be no renegotiation".

The leaders also said that while the UK remained in the EU, it must abide by "all the rights and obligations that derive from this".

The UK must invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to leave, which then allows for two years for withdrawal to be negotiated.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed "great regret" at the British decision, saying: "This is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process."

French President Francois Hollande said the vote "seriously puts Europe to the test".

He added: "I respect this painful choice. France will continue to work with this friendly country."

The European parliament has called a special session for next Tuesday to assess the vote.

Mrs Merkel said she would meet Mr Tusk, Mr Hollande and Italian PM Matteo Renzi in Berlin on Monday.

Some EU politicians fear a domino effect from Brexit that could threaten the whole organisation. Polish President Andrzej Duda said everything possible must be done to prevent other countries leaving.

Leaders of Eurosceptic parties in France, the Netherlands and Italy quickly demanded referendums in their own countries.

Reacting to the vote, UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage said "the EU is dying".

But Mr Tusk said this was "not a moment for hysterical reactions".
'Europe is our home'

Although many EU leaders expressed shock and dismay at the vote, they also urged solidarity and some stressed the need for change.

Estonian Prime Minister Taavi Roivas said: "We must... work hard so that we do not lose the unity of the European Union."

Portuguese President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa said "the European project remains valid to defend the values that mark our common identity".

Czech PM Bohuslav Sobotka said: "Despite the disappointment many of us feel... we must realise that this is not the end of the world and it's absolutely not the end of the EU."

But he also echoed the voices of many in calling for change, saying: "Europe must be more operational, flexible, less bureaucratic and much more perceptive to the diversity that its member states represent."

Greek PM Alexis Tsipras said the vote was "either a wake-up call or the beginning of a dangerous path".

He said: "We urgently need a new vision and beginning for a united Europe - for a better Europe, more social and democratic."

Mr Renzi tweeted: "We have to change it to make it more humane and more just, but Europe is our home, it's our future."
 
Just huffing and puffing to frantically try and keep other nations from following the UK. Since when should one take the EUSSR and the media, who are in cahoots with them, serious.
 
Personally I'm happy for the UK to have voted as they did. Short term there might be some issues and people preaching doom et all but long term it's for the better. The EU as it has become is an undemocratic seizure of power lead by people who think they know best (while on a daily basis showcasing that they don't) or by people who personally benefit from such a change. The EUSSR is becoming a reality.

Get out while you can, avoid terrible and dangerous nonsense like TTIP in the process, regain control and operate from your own strengths instead. Long term it's the best solution, I hope that we'll follow the UK soonish.

You sound like someone who hasn't read much on the subject and rather listened to what the populists have been saying.

Get in for a surprise: The popuists LIED to you. That's the job of pied pipers like Geerd Wilders and the likes. They make you think they have a better way because they LIE to you.

Just huffing and puffing to frantically try and keep other nations from following the UK. Since when should one take the EUSSR and the media, who are in cahoots with them, serious.

You probably renounce reality because it is too much biased in a way that contradicts your own opinion, right? :rolleyes:

I know people like you: They say you cannot trust the media and that we are all victims of manipulation. Why? Because what they say doesn't fit into their view of the world. They think they are right, so all others must be wrong. The logic of the ignorant. And if there is sense and logic behind what others say, it's just them manipulating people. It really is a sick way to look at the world, with us living in the best times ever for any human being.

But it's like what I've been saying all along: People aren't made for living in satisfaction. They need problems. And if they don't get any, they come up with problems on their own.
 
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Just huffing and puffing to frantically try and keep other nations from following the UK. Since when should one take the EUSSR and the media, who are in cahoots with them, serious.

Since when does anyone take someone who uses pejoratives to refer to something they don't agree with, seriously?
Have you seen any of us refer to this as the "Brexshit" or something?
Not to mention the "European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" doesn't make any sense.
 
Not necessarily but if people should believe so, they'll be in for a big surprise.

Because in order to keep the access to the European market, Britain would also need to follow its rules. And one rule is to let EU citizens roam freely within the EU. That's why it's possible for Germans to live and work in Switzerland for instance.

For immigrants from outside the EU nothing will change.
I'll admit I am naive about the subject, but from what you say it seems the decision to "leave" is mostly political and in practical terms things will not change much with regards to market regulations and immigration.
 
Exactly.

Basically what happened is this: Britain had the most convenient and cheapest EU membership of all member states and now decided to switch it to something which will in the end be much more expensive but without any influence anymore.

If you think that's batshit crazy, welcome to the club.

But it happens when fear-mongering, populism and agitation replace reason and common sense. People will soon discover that they have been lied to and my guess is that the populists will blame that on the EU as well because they need a scapegoat to cover up their own lies.
 
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Not necessarily but if people should believe so, they'll be in for a big surprise.

Because in order to keep the access to the European market, Britain would also need to follow its rules. And one rule is to let EU citizens roam freely within the EU. That's why it's possible for Germans to live and work in Switzerland for instance.

For immigrants from outside the EU nothing will change.

The Brexiters don't understand it because they've never experienced it. I remember the time when Bulgaria was not part of the EU, and travel in Europe was significantly harder. People still immigrated and worked in other countries, you just felt more...constrained, constantly searched/watched. Meanwhile, Brits were always able to freely travel and vacation in Bulgaria, Greece, and anywhere else in Europe they wanted.

I hope the EU takes UK's decision to withdraw seriously and treat British citizens with the same scrutiny that it does non-EU citizens. This is an exaggerated hypothetical, but it has a point:

"French Coast guard apprehends another boat with 1,000+ British migrants following Channel closure, Riots in Poland erupt over influx of cheap English football commentators, Greece declares bankruptcy again, this time over disastrous tourist season and historic slump in alcohol consumption"

Leaving the EU is a double-edged sword - you may get your independence, but you also lose the benefits of membership (especially ones you didn't realize you had, such as unrestricted travel and business/work).
 
Leaving the EU is a double-edged sword - you may get your independence, but you also lose the benefits of membership (especially ones you didn't realize you had, such as unrestricted travel and business/work).

Unrestricted travel is part of the Schengen agreement.
I'm not so sure the UK will be ejected from this agreement just because they leave the EU..
Norway is not in the EU, but I can still travel around Europe unrestricted.
 
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Leaving the EU is a double-edged sword - you may get your independence, but you also lose the benefits of membership (especially ones you didn't realize you had, such as unrestricted travel and business/work).

Indeed. I don't see them needing a visa to travel into Europe (yet) but it could become much more difficult (and expensive) for Britons to travel abroad. What many also forget: As an ex-member of the EU you also don't any longer have valid treaties with other countries in the world.

All treaties the EU had with the rest of the world, are null and void for Britain, too. TTIP? Forget it, you're out! You'll have to negotiate your own treaty with America. Expect a decade or so in which the British government will be busy with negotiating in all geographical directions.

And as I said: If they some day find that it was a bad idea to leave the EU and knock on the door again, they will only be let in without any special deals or discounts. That's past history now.
 
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