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    Turkish dictatorship!

    Turkish journalists accuse Erdo?an of media witch-hunt
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...dia-witch-hunt

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-outside-court

    https://rsf.org/en/turkey

    Turkish journalists get two years for reprinting Charlie Hebdo cartoon
    https://rsf.org/en/news/turkish-jour...-hebdo-cartoon
    Last edited by jack_christie; May 24th, 2016, 1:01 AM. Reason: Turkey heading for dictatorship?
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    #2
    Erdogan has been on this road for awhile now. Good to have them as a NATO ally!
    bogative ?

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      #3
      Turkey heading for dictatorship?
      evolved

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        #4
        ...and the stupid idiots in the EU go "do whatever you want as long as you keep the dirty unwashed migrants out".

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          #5
          Originally posted by calvinhobbes View Post
          ...and the stupid idiots in the EU go "do whatever you want as long as you keep the dirty unwashed migrants out".
          That's what really bugs me. It's a deal with the devil, a desperate try to keep the right-wing extremists here from winning too many votes. Of course, showing that you can be pressured into giving in to their demands or at least general views is not going to work towards that end.

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            #6
            I would think the EU would say something but, I guess it would cost them money and they don't want to do that.
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              #7
              There's something deep inside me telling me opening borders with Turkey is a really bad idea.

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                #8
                http://www.dw.com/en/erdogan-seeks-i...ann/a-19245891
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DanRoM View Post
                  That's what really bugs me. It's a deal with the devil...
                  That's pretty much been the West's relationship with Turkey since the end of WW2. They invade and occupy Cyprus, we slap their hand. They massacare Kurds, we sell them the weapons to do it. Thanks to geography they're allowed to be utter dicks.
                  bogative ?

                  "Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy." - Colin Chapman
                  "If you think about it breast implants aren't much different than braces. Their main purpose is to improve one's appearance, at least that's how it was in my case." - KaJun
                  "So the [suspension's] spring seats fail every 2 years, so what? They cost less than $250 to fix. And if a person can't afford that every two years, than maybe he shouldn't own a car at all." - _HighVoltage_ on Volvos.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by argatoga View Post
                    That's pretty much been the West's relationship with Turkey since the end of WW2. They invade and occupy Cyprus, we slap their hand. They massacare Kurds, we sell them the weapons to do it. Thanks to geography they're allowed to be utter dicks.
                    Even before that, the Armenians could tell you about the turkish people's hospitality... even though they weren't officially Turkey back then

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DanRoM View Post
                      That's what really bugs me.
                      Yup. Mostly because it should

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                        #12
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_B%...Erdogan_satire
                        "Less accepted" than fucking goats and watching child porn? Is there a good translation somewhere?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by kunedog View Post
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_B%...Erdogan_satire

                          "Less accepted" than fucking goats and watching child porn? Is there a good translation somewhere?
                          The portion that you quoted completely misses the point. Erdogan was nothing but the MacGuffin in that poem. Brb, eating lunch.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mpicco View Post
                            Even before that, the Armenians could tell you about the turkish people's hospitality... even though they weren't officially Turkey back then
                            I gave them the credit of not including the Ottoman Empire (even though the Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian genocides were committed by The Young Turks). Ottoman history isn't exactly pleasant when it comes to non-Turkish people.
                            bogative ?

                            "Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy." - Colin Chapman
                            "If you think about it breast implants aren't much different than braces. Their main purpose is to improve one's appearance, at least that's how it was in my case." - KaJun
                            "So the [suspension's] spring seats fail every 2 years, so what? They cost less than $250 to fix. And if a person can't afford that every two years, than maybe he shouldn't own a car at all." - _HighVoltage_ on Volvos.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by calvinhobbes View Post
                              Brb, eating lunch.
                              Right.

                              The thing that set off this ridiculous affair is mentioned in the Wikipedia article that kunedog referred to:

                              The poem was released two weeks after the German political satire TV show extra 3 had aired a critical song about Erdogan, which led to protests of the Turkish government.
                              That "critical song" was a tame and sightly childish variation on Nena's "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann"; so tame that it would never have been considered for an edgy show - which "extra 3" is not. It isn't a big show either, quite the contrary. Nevertheless, some thug in the Turkish government thought someone had insulted his mother president, which carries heavy penalties in Turkey. So they "requested" the presence of the German Ambassador in Ankara (for the umpteenth time), told him that the Great Ottoman Empire Turkish Republic will most assuredly not be insulted like this and demanded consequences for the terrible crime against the Sultan

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                                #16
                                I get that he was testing the law (enforcement), not saying these things are literally true. I'm still interested in a translation if anyone can link a good one (without getting in legal trouble in their country, of course).

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                                  #17
                                  http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...y-competition/

                                  http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_tw
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by kunedog View Post
                                    I get that he was testing the law (enforcement), not saying these things are literally true. I'm still interested in a translation if anyone can link a good one (without getting in legal trouble in their country, of course).
                                    A german high court thankfully provides the poem (in german - but not in the context of the whole show - which is nessecary to understand why this is satire, the poem by itself is just a part of it) in this press release concerning an injunction Erdogan just obtained against a german comedian:
                                    http://justiz.hamburg.de/oberlandesg...-05-17-olg-01/

                                    You click on the blue highlighted word "Anhang" (Attachment) and find the poem is in the pdf. The injunction says that said comedian is forbidden to repeat the paragraphs marked in red.

                                    For context: this injunction is unrelated to the charges brought against the comedian for defamation. And the injunction may also not hold up in the next higher courts.
                                    Last edited by Interrobang; May 20th, 2016, 10:11 AM.

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                                      #19
                                      So....

                                      As of this day, the thread title can stand without the question mark.

                                      By removing the immunity of 138 delegates in the parliament, the parliament practically made itself obsolete. From this day on, Turkey is no longer a democracy and is heading straight on towards a dictatorship.

                                      It's really hard to accept that the mighty, civilized, cultured EU is completey incapable of handling the reefugee crisis and is therefore kissing Erdogan's arse.
                                      Last edited by MacGuffin; May 20th, 2016, 3:15 PM.
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                                        #20
                                        With this arrangement in place, I wonder how Erdogan is going to continue to sell his legitimacy to his base. I think there is a chance that he turns irredentist, considering the circumstances in Syria and the Caucuses. That's not going to sit very well with Putin. I think we should be on the lookout for a clash between them for who gets to control Western Asia.

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