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    #41
    I never supported President Obama, but I always hoped he would be a good president and do good things for the country. I feel the same way about Trump. It's nothing short of astonishing how badly people want Trump to fail, want him to screw things up, want him to destroy the country, want him to start a war, etc. It's disturbing. And watching all these fascist cunts rioting and vandalizing and killing because of Trump makes me think he might actually be a good choice.

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      #42
      Originally posted by LeVeL View Post
      If Ronaldo scores a goal by throwing the ball like a basketball, would you say that's unfair or would you need some explanation why the rule "no touching the ball with your hands" is fair/unfair? We have a system set up by the constitution - as long as we follow the rules of the game, it's fair.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl...ives_and_taxes

      Pretty stupid thing to say. Love him or hate him, he IS your president. Hell, I hate Obama but he sure was my president for eight years.
      Both sides love to say stuff like that whenever the other side is in office... https://youtu.be/Pl2zN0Pm7W0?t=1m9s "not my president <awkward smile>"
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        #43
        Originally posted by TC View Post
        I never supported President Obama, but I always hoped he would be a good president and do good things for the country. I feel the same way about Trump.

        This is about how I feel.


        It's nothing short of astonishing how badly people want Trump to fail, want him to screw things up, want him to destroy the country, want him to start a war, etc. It's disturbing.

        Want? Or afraid of?


        And watching all these fascist cunts rioting and vandalizing and killing because of Trump makes me think he might actually be a good choice.

        Killing? Please provide evidence.

        How does them "fascist cunts" rioting lead to Trump being a good choice?
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          #44
          Originally posted by GRtak View Post
          Want? Or afraid of?
          It honestly seems like they want it. I mean, taking bets on his impeachment? Really?

          If you want to see what real integrity, real class looks like, here you go:



          Originally posted by GRtak View Post
          Killing? Please provide evidence.
          Oh, give it time. There has been plenty of violence so far and a shooting that left someone in critical condition at a Milo speech at UW last night. It will happen, just like the violence against police officers. More and more hysteria is being stirred up and promoted. And no one will even try to calm it down until after some egregious atrocity occurs, like always.

          Originally posted by GRtak View Post
          How does them "fascist cunts" rioting lead to Trump being a good choice?
          Well, you know how people used the fact that full on white supremacists were supporting Trump? And that was reason enough to vote against him? Yeah, same principle. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks, I'm no supporter of thought policing, I only care about what people actually do. Actions speak louder than words. And if these idiots I see on TV every other week burning everything down and attacking people, if they disapprove of Trump... well... that only makes Trump look good. Just like white supremacists only make him look bad.

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            #45
            Originally posted by TC View Post
            I never supported President Obama, but I always hoped he would be a good president and do good things for the country. I feel the same way about Trump.
            Damn right. If only to prove that you don't have to be part of the establishment to be a good president. Which is my biggest problem with Hillary.

            And it's also a big reason why a lot of people didn't voted for Trump, but against Hillary.
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              #46
              Originally posted by TC View Post
              I only care about what people actually do.
              And yet,...
              Originally posted by TC View Post
              Oh, give it time.
              Originally posted by TC View Post
              And if these idiots I see on TV every other week burning everything down and attacking people, if they disapprove of Trump... well... that only makes Trump look good.
              Communists protested and disapproved in early '33, if you transfer that principle...
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                #47
                Originally posted by narf View Post
                And yet,...
                Yes, and? Are murders the only thing that matter?

                Originally posted by narf View Post
                Communists protested and disapproved in early '33, if you transfer that principle...
                Do the exceptions make the rule? People protest about everything. The powers of perfect hindsight mean nothing to me. Acting like violent fascist thugs is disgraceful. I don't care who does it. Even those idiots with their anti-Obama signs are an embarrassment to my country.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by TC View Post
                  Yes, and? Are murders the only thing that matter?
                  Here you say you "only care about what people actually do", and there you complain about killings that people didn't actually do.
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by narf View Post
                    Here you say you "only care about what people actually do", and there you complain about killings that people didn't actually do.
                    But there have been killings. There was a story not too long ago about a guy who saw someone on the street that resembled Trump and he murdered him for it, believing that he was doing the world a favor or something. Has anyone been murdered in the past 24 hours over political leanings? I don't know. Possibly. I don't expect every killing and it's motivations to be properly investigated, reported, and released to the public that quickly. The point of my post was that there are people doing these sorts of violent things and it does far more harm than good to any "cause" they might be "protesting" over.

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                      #50
                      Evidence please.
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                        #51
                        Originally posted by MacGuffin View Post
                        My greatest worry is what happens around summer or so, when everyone can see that America is still not "great again".

                        My prediction is that like all bad leaders, he will try to blame the outside world and find scapegoats in foreign countries.
                        Like when the Germans blamed the Greeks for the toxic investments of the German banks?

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                        Originally posted by Cellos88GT View Post
                        "Nah"

                        -Rosa Parks

                        I refuse to accept this nationalistic asshole as my president.

                        You're equating "not my president" to Rosa Parks?

                        Anyhow, I didn't vote for Trump, but I'll judge him on his actions not conjecture. If he does something I disagree with I'll call him out on it. I care more about what people do opposed to what they say.
                        Last edited by argatoga; January 21st, 2017, 4:08 PM.
                        bogative ?

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                          #52
                          Originally posted by GRtak View Post
                          Evidence please.
                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-police-say

                          I fail to see what this nutcase has to do with hundreds of thousands of mostly peaceful protesters
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                            #53
                            Originally posted by argatoga View Post
                            Like when the Germans blamed the Greeks for the toxic investments of the German banks?
                            If that ever happened, it mysteriously wasn't on the news here.

                            No, I meant stuff like Argentina invading the Falklands or George W. Bush invading Iraq.

                            What I find interesting, though, is how many now seem to gather behind Trump because he is "their president" and therefore they have to support him now.

                            No, they don't. Where do people get such rubbish?

                            He's still a narcistic, asocial, sexist loudmouth with a behavioural disorder. Only now he has nukes.
                            Last edited by MacGuffin; January 21st, 2017, 4:17 PM.
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                              #54
                              Originally posted by narf View Post
                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-police-say

                              I fail to see what this nutcase has to do with hundreds of thousands of mostly peaceful protesters


                              That makes two of us.
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                                #55
                                Originally posted by GRtak View Post
                                That makes two of us.
                                Easy, I was never talking about peaceful protesters. Unless they changed the definition of peaceful since I finished school.

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by LeVeL View Post
                                  Would it be fair if we ignored the law and somehow Hillary became president?
                                  .
                                  No love for Hillary but why wouldn't it be fair? More people did vote for her than Trump. Under our system it doesn't matter but in terms of fairness I think majority vote is a convincing argument.

                                  Now if we got rid of EC and introduced STV that would be much better but let's face it there is no incentive for those who win the game under current rules to ever change them.
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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by argatoga View Post
                                    You're equating "not my president" to Rosa Parks?
                                    No? "nah" was my answer, "not my president" was my reasoning as a figure of speech to indicate that I do not support the cheeto.

                                    As for judging him on his actions, well there is plenty of that for someone to have a vote of "no confidence" after all, that is essentially what we vote for on election day. Just because he won does not automatically make him fit for the job nor does it mean the people that voted against him need to have faith in him. Trump represents everything I hate about America it's obsession with media, corporate greed, bigotry, trolling, and viewpoints that do not align with reality. I won't ever come around to this guy and will continue to look at every step he takes with the utmost scrutiny.
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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by prizrak View Post
                                      ...in terms of fairness I think majority vote is a convincing argument.
                                      NO! Absolutely not!!! That's how you get mob rule and the Founders specifically wanted to avoid that. That's the entire reason why we aren't a pure democracy.
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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by LeVeL View Post
                                        If Ronaldo scores a goal by throwing the ball like a basketball, would you say that's unfair or would you need some explanation why the rule "no touching the ball with your hands" is fair/unfair? We have a system set up by the constitution - as long as we follow the rules of the game, it's fair.
                                        eizbear already covered it for me - legal does not equal fair or just. Slavery was once legal, it was part of the rules of the game. It doesn't mean it was fair or just. The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 were legal in Germany, but they were not fair or just.

                                        Similarly, the Electoral College is the law, and I will not dispute this. But we can absolutely question and debate whether the Electoral College is fair and just.

                                        Originally posted by LeVeL View Post
                                        NO! Absolutely not!!! That's how you get mob rule and the Founders specifically wanted to avoid that. That's the entire reason why we aren't a pure democracy.
                                        So the reason why we are not a pure democracy is because the Founders said so and because they didn't want mob rule. But is mob rule guaranteed to be a bad thing? It relies on the presumption that "the mob" is always bad, and our citizens are mindless morons. Considering how education, civil rights, and society have improved since 1776, I think today's "mob" is not the clueless mass of of people it might have been back then.
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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by LeVeL View Post
                                          NO! Absolutely not!!! That's how you get mob rule and the Founders specifically wanted to avoid that. That's the entire reason why we aren't a pure democracy.
                                          Yet, mob rule is fine for all other aspects of our Democratic-Republic? You Constitution-thumpers treat the founding fathers like gods, remember these were humans beings and like all human beings, they are not infallible.

                                          The electoral college is a crutch, end of story.
                                          Last edited by Cellos88GT; January 21st, 2017, 8:27 PM.
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