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As far as the Royal family go, you can't beat Phillip. He's the king of the out-in-the-open racism and unnecessary comments club. I seem to remember him calling Chinese people 'Slitty eyed little buggers.' I don't agree with it, but I find it funny when it comes from him.

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Oh wait, it didn't have one.
 
With a bit of help:

"The mass of the Finnish army will have the task, in accordance with the advance made by the northern wing of the German armies, of tying up maximum Russian strength by attacking to the west, or on both sides, of Lake Ladoga"

"Almost all historians regard the siege as a German operation and do not consider that the Finns effectively participated in the siege."



Whoa, Stefano1337 hates a lot of thigns in America. :lol:


What was that thing, when some american lawyrr tried to stop CERN to start that new LHC? By complaining about the European Organization for Nuclear Research to hawaian court. Does US courts have jurisdiction in Switzerland?

edit: Found it:
"Last Friday, Wagner and another critic of the LHC's safety measures, Luis Sancho, filed a lawsuit in Hawaii's U.S. District Court. The suit calls on the U.S. Department of Energy, Fermilab, the National Science Foundation and CERN to ease up on their LHC preparations for several months while the collider's safety was reassessed."
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx
 
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As far as the Royal family go, you can't beat Phillip. He's the king of the out-in-the-open racism and unnecessary comments club. I seem to remember him calling Chinese people 'Slitty eyed little buggers.' I don't agree with it, but I find it funny when it comes from him.

I think this thread has probably served it's purpose now.



Oh wait, it didn't have one.

See? This is what I don't get. Why is calling them slitty eyed little buggers racist?

In case you haven't noticed, they do have slitty eyes.

And if it is the case of the little buggers he added, how is that racist?

Is it because he called them anything other than happy happy people with a brilliant future and smart children?

Because to me that is as sterotypical as anything else.

People have got to get off all this victim crap.

It is not like he said all slitty eyed little buggers must ride hanging on to the outside of the bus.

It is like the bible thumpers (yes, that is what I call them) that pick out the particular areas of the bible they like and ignore all the rest. They plain hated me in church because by the age of 14 I had actually read it for myself and when they would quote their favorite part I would say, yes it says that, but if you look at the context, or if you continue reading down it also says this. And I figured it out. They were preaching to people that could not be bothered to think for themselves and was happy to have the nice man do it for them. Oh course, it turned out they found out that nice man had been robbing them blind for years, but they soon replaced him with another nice man.

There is nowhere I have ever been you could not point out stupid stuff the government does. And the more they try to make things better, the more they fuck it up.

There is nowhere I have ever been that I have not met warm and welcoming people trying to make there home life as good as they can.

There are idiots in all races and cultures and countries.

But I have figured it out. There is really no people better than the others really.

The primary place I work I am usually the only white worker at night. Most of the patients are black. I hear white bitch an average of 3 times a night because I do not allow them to dictate how I will do my job. The thing that really amazes me is when we do get an occasional white patient, I see the way their eyes light up when they see me like they will be treated better. Well, I will be treating them the same way I do every other pt. They will wait the same, I will do the same exam, I will ask the same questions, and they will be given the same treatments, but I am sure I will not hear white bitch out of them no matter what I do.
 
As far as the Royal family go, you can't beat Phillip.

Philippos? The only thing that impresses me about him is that he doesn't sound like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQqzcDh0i-Q[/youtube]

"Almost all historians regard the siege as a German operation and do not consider that the Finns effectively participated in the siege."

Russian historians?

See? This is what I don't get. Why is calling them slitty eyed little buggers racist?

In the same way that it would be racist to refer to black people as big lipped idiots or jewish people as big nosed twats say.
 
racist is a pretty strong word.
it's certainly morally incorrect, and it's not very nice, but - at least in my view - racists is when someone goes on the street and beats albanians, or if someone who's involved in politics acts so that people get disadvantages because of their race, ancestry, believes or appearance.
 
racist is a pretty strong word.
it's certainly morally incorrect, and it's not very nice, but - at least in my view - racists is when someone goes on the street and beats albanians, or if someone who's involved in politics acts so that people get disadvantages because of their race, ancestry, believes or appearance.

I dunno, the boche eh, not actually racist until they are goose stepping across your country gassing your minorities.
 
See? This is what I don't get. Why is calling them slitty eyed little buggers racist?

In case you haven't noticed, they do have slitty eyes.

And if it is the case of the little buggers he added, how is that racist?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because it's demeaning to an entire group of people based on merely their physical appearance? Based on a stereotype that's completely pointless? Calling the entire race "buggers"...well that's cute, isn't it. The Asian delegation is chuffed.

I'm sorry, I have to take fault in this, being the Asian Al Sharpton playin' the race card here and all that. Everybody has innate racist beliefs, it's part of human nature to distill the whole complexity of humanity into easily-managed groupings. Difference is, it's how much they want to make them heard that causes problems. When you're in a position of power (real or not) and have the ability to foist your opinions on a diverse public, then you should learn to shut the fuck up and not piss people off for no particular reason. It's not "straight talk", it's not "being controversial", it's frankly pretty grating if not outright offensive. It's one thing for entertainers like Jeremy Clarkson (and that talentless asshole Carlos Mencia), but political leaders should know better. Just ask John McCain.
 
Charlie Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg? Yeah, he's really really British him.

Well, if you want to get geneological about the British isles, it's a long torrid story of largely Germanic conquest, rape, and pillage, innit?
 
Well, if you want to get geneological about the British isles, it's a long torrid story of largely Germanic conquest, rape, and pillage, innit?

Nah, you're thinking of France.

Oh c'mon, you know that was coming.
 
Neither am i completely ignorant towards americans, i know some very very nice people from the states. but fuck me i'm never going to go there unless i really have to.

Stefano, have you been here or are you basing your fear on... whatever it is? Don't you see the irony after your rant?

I have plenty of complaints about my own country, but some of your reasons are just BS. I suggest you look into reading "Anti-Americanism" by Jean-Francois Revel, just to challenge your preconceived notions. Europe seems to be gripped by some vitriolic, illogical anti-Americanism.

I find it amusing that a German is lecturing about Americans "killing people all over the world", or about Xenophobia (I know all about European "purity" and the segregated minorities in Europe, such as the Muslim riots in France last summer). I've been to Germany, and your idea of a "Melting pot" involves literally melting people. In my immediate group at work I work with three Americans, a Dutchman, an Indian, a Serbian, and an Australian. Yup, we're sure xenophobic.

I'll pick a few of your more uneducated points but I can't be bothered to refute every one. Some are true, some are assinine, and either way it's not the spirt of this thread or this board.

- Freedom of speech. It's there, what were you prevented from saying? If anything, "political correctness", a product of European Socialism, is used to prevent people from speaking their minds. However, it is the first ammendment in our constitution that guarantees it. People don't get thrown in the gulag for speaking their minds. In fact, some people speak their minds too much as if they have a right to be heard not a right to speak.

- School children are barely able to read -- I take it the usual sensationalist propoganda of "75% of American's can't find Germany on a map", etc. is what you are basing this on. Sadly, yes, education is mishandled by the SOCIALIST leaning public school system, but there are plenty of educated Americans, more and more people are turning to private learning institutions instead of the socialist-communist public school system, and our Universities thrive attracting students from around the world.

- Never been good American music? Blues, jazz are uniquely American. So much of Rock and Roll is American. And though I loathe it, Rap/Hip-Hop is uniquely American.

- "i dislike that america seems to be on its way to have total control of the internet (net neutrality issue)" -- put down that pot you must be smoking, first we invented the internet. Why shouldn't we control it (in reality I'm for creating international organizations for DNS registration, etc.)? Second, that is not what "net neutrality" means. "net neutrality" means that ISPs should treat traffic as traffic, not try to slow down or charge higher rates for VOIP, bittorrent, etc.

Ah, I can't be bothered by the rest. I can tell by your invocation of "gang wars and ghettos" that you're just slurping up the anti-American sensationalist propoganda that's so in-vogue in your socialist media. Honestly, gang wars and ghettos? Paging Dr. Marx. I've worked with all kinds of Euro-trash before, and I'm always amazed that they expect every person to be carrying a concealed weapon and they expect to get into a gunfight going to the grocery store. Do they show you a film on the way over or what?

I am saddened by many of your points as they accurately capture the decline of American culture. However, I feel it's worth noting that this is also paralleled by a decline in European culture as well -- a spiral into outright socialism, declining birth rates, et al. And your non-integrated Muslim minorities in particular are a festering problem throughout the EU that will spell trouble down the road (riots in France, Londonistan, Van Gogh's murder a few years ago in Holland, etc.). You Europeans love to profess your social liberalism and bring in former colonial subjects but you don't integrate them into your mainstream society.

Seriously, please do pick up Revel's book, you may find that ignorance is closer to home than you think and heed your own advice to look in the mirror.

And think of Jeremy, listening to his iPod, typing away his anti-American rant on his Dell Notebook running Microsoft Windows.

Oh, and by the way, we LOVE your cars.
 
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There have been a number of books written on the subject, not just the one I mentioned by Revel.

Even though it's lengthy (bear with it), I think the Washington Post review of this book provides a good primer for anyone who's really interested in discussing this rationally.

Washington Post said:
The subtitle of this otherwise interesting and provocative book shouldn't be taken literally. Europe per se may have qualms about the United States, but by and large its view of this country is favorable, if not wildly enthusiastic. "As routine surveys in West European countries since the beginning of the 1950s have brought to light," Andrei S. Markovits writes, "a solid majority of Europeans were constantly expressing positive attitudes toward America; only 30 percent on average had a negative opinion." But that 30 percent, or at least a substantial part of it, is what interests Markovits. Within that substantial minority are the European elites, and to say that they loathe America is no understatement.

Right away you'll say that this is because of the style and policies of George W. Bush, and to a limited degree you'll be right: "By his policies, habits, demeanor, and entire being, Bush represents to [elite] Europeans the quintessential ugly American: arrogant, uncouth, uncultured, ignorant, inconsiderate, and aggressive."

Markovits -- a native of Romania who came to the United States in 1960, now teaches politics and German studies at the University of Michigan, and by his own ready admission has "a life-long affinity with the democratic left in Europe and the United States" -- claims, somewhat unconvincingly, that "Bush and his administration's policies have made America into the most hated country of all time," but he also argues that the history of anti-Americanism among West European elites is long. He writes:

"Ambivalence, antipathy, and resentment toward and about the United States have comprised an important component of European culture since the American Revolution at the latest, thus way before America became the world's 'Mr. Big' -- the proverbial eight-hundred-pound gorilla -- and a credible rival to Europe's main powers, particularly Britain and France . . . . While the politics, style, and discourse of the Bush administration -- and of George W. Bush as a person -- have undoubtedly exacerbated anti-American sentiment among Europeans and fostered a heretofore unmatched degree of unity between elite and mass opinion in Europe, they are not anti-Americanism's cause. Indeed, a change to a center-left administration in Washington, led by a Democratic president, would not bring about its abatement, let alone disappearance."

At this point, a couple of points need to be emphasized. The first is that Markovits is talking only about Western Europe; by contrast, "Eastern Europeans' overwhelmingly positive views of America stem largely from their having perceived the United States as their sole ally against the much-despised Soviet Union." The second, as mentioned above, is that although he persistently refers to "Europeans," his subject is in fact a minority: academics and intellectuals on the left, old-guard traditionalists on the right. It's easy, while reading Uncouth Nation, to be seduced into believing that Markovits is writing about sentiments shared by the majority of Europeans. He isn't.

Certainly, though, these sentiments are passionately held. Here's the British novelist Margaret Drabble: "My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux" -- evidence that Drabble is as unspeakable as she is unreadable. She and others who are similarly inclined detest Americans, Markovits correctly points out, more for what we are than what we do. Yes, they hate many of our foreign adventures, often with plenty of reason, and our use of capital punishment (ditto), and other things we do, but what they really hate is, well, us. Markovits sees these people's anti-Americanism "as a generalized and comprehensive normative dislike of America and things American that often lacks distinct reasons or concrete causes." In other words, it's almost entirely irrational, though it focuses on identifiable (at least in the minds of those doing the identifying) American traits. Here's part of the list, dating back to the founding of the republic:

"To this day, one encounters the widely held view in Europe that Americans are like children, implying they are immature, impressionable, without sound judgment, anchorless, lacking tradition or history. Moreover, to this day as well, there exists the fear that Europe's masses -- childlike in their own way -- also succumb to America's superficial veneer that woos innocents to do something worthless at best, at worst well-nigh deadly. Thus to this day, Europe's elite discourse often depicts America not as proletarian, which at least to leftist Europeans has the connotation of authenticity, but rather as commodified, commercial, vulgar -- values that exude inauthenticity, plasticity, and heteronomy. European elites' image of America as 'Las Vegas,' 'Disneyland,' basically as 'white trash' -- or what the British call 'chav' -- has a distinguished pedigree: gaudy jewelry, expensive-but-tacky clothes, garish makeup, platinum blond hair, tattoos, vulgar demeanor, in short inauthentic and kitschy glitter best captured by the term 'uncouth.' "

There's more. The Spanish intellectual Jos? Ortega y Gasset, speaking for countless others, sneered at the United States because, as Markovits summarizes his view, it "cannot claim any greatness because it has no history, has little experience, and it has not yet truly suffered." So much for the Civil War. As Markovits says, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't: "too religious, too secular; too idealistic, too materialistic; too elitist, too populist; too prudish, too pornographic; too individualistic, too conformist; too anarchic, too controlling; too obsessed with history, not having any history; too concerned with culture, not having any culture; too dominated by women, too controlling of women. America, in the view of some Europeans, is so obsessed with freedom and individualism that this obsession impedes genuine individuality." Then there are American golfers and the British Open: "When the Americans don't come, they exhibit arrogance by their aloofness. When they do come and win too much, they exhibit arrogance by their domination."

If much of this strikes you as having the same utter irrationality as anti-Semitism, that's what Markovits thinks, too. He finds an "increasingly strong overlap between anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism." In the late 19th century, he writes, "it was the fear and critique of capitalist modernity that brought these two resentments together. America and the Jews were seen as paragons of modernity: money-driven, profit-hungry, urban, universalistic, individualistic, mobile, rootless, and hostile to established traditions and values." Obviously, anti-Americanism has never taken the calamitous turns in Europe that anti-Semitism has, but the two hatreds grow out of the same resentments, fears and stereotypes. In his very long chapter about anti-Semitism, Markovits drifts away from his main subject and devotes too much space to European hostility toward Israel -- another subject, for another book -- but the basic argument he makes about the connection between the two prejudices is correct.

European elites don't just dislike the United States, they fear it. Memories of two world wars in which American soldiers helped save Europe from totalitarianism and of the Marshall Plan that restored it to prosperity faded long ago; indeed, Markovits argues that there was scarcely a pause after both wars before old anti-American sentiments sprang back to the fore. Possibly, Europeans fear that a nation that can rescue one's country can also conquer it; possibly, it's that American power is simply too great and too capable of being misused. Europeans also fear what they glibly and reflexively call "Americanization," which embraces everything from language to food to movies to etiquette. They "bemoan a loss of agency, a seeming self-incapacitation vis-?-vis America's cunning and compelling ways, which are clearly experienced as dangerous and undesirable but against which one appears to be helpless." To put it another way, they're afraid that the temptations of America are so great that they -- the intellectual, artistic, political, journalistic, social elite -- will not be strong enough to resist. This probably says more about the European elite than it does about America.

Whether any of this matters very much is far from clear. Elite European anti-Americanism is more a state of mind than of policy or action. The European nations that whine most loudly about us are usually on our side in a crisis, however reluctantly at times. Heaven knows there are plenty of things about this country -- not just what it does but what it is -- that are fair game for criticism. But the phenomenon Markovits so tellingly describes has nothing to do with criticism. It's just knee-jerk bloviating and deserves nobody's attention or respect.
 
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Stefano, have you been here or are you basing your fear on... whatever it is? Don't you see the irony after your rant?

I haven't been. I base my rant on studies, thinks i read somewhere and stereotypes.
I have plenty of complaints about my own country, but some of your reasons are just BS. I suggest you look into reading "Anti-Americanism" by Jean-Francois Revel, just to challenge your preconceived notions. Europe seems to be gripped by some vitriolic, illogical anti-Americanism.

i will order that book, promise.
I find it amusing that a German is lecturing about Americans "killing people all over the world", or about Xenophobia (I know all about European "purity" and the segregated minorities in Europe, such as the Muslim riots in France last summer). I've been to Germany, and your idea of a "Melting pot" involves literally melting people. In my immediate group at work I work with three Americans, a Dutchman, an Indian, a Serbian, and an Australian. Yup, we're sure xenophobic.

I don't see myself as a german. I'm not proud to be born here, and i could rant away for hours about stupid things like "Leitkultur" and the xenophobia that still seems to be in the public mind somehow.

- Freedom of speech. It's there, what were you prevented from saying? If anything, "political correctness", a product of European Socialism, is used to prevent people from speaking their minds. However, it is the first ammendment in our constitution that guarantees it. People don't get thrown in the gulag for speaking their minds. In fact, some people speak their minds too much as if they have a right to be heard not a right to speak.

Regarding that point, there really wasn't any reasoning in my mentioning freedom of speech, it just annoys me how - at least that's my impression - america is telling the rest of the word how free they are, all the time, when really they are imprisoned by one of the worst governments in the world.

- School children are barely able to read -- I take it the usual sensationalist propoganda of "75% of American's can't find Germany on a map", etc. is what you are basing this on. Sadly, yes, education is mishandled by the SOCIALIST leaning public school system, but there are plenty of educated Americans, more and more people are turning to private learning institutions instead of the socialist-communist public school system, and our Universities thrive attracting students from around the world.

It may be sensationalistic and a clich?, but you can't deny there is a bit of truth in it. Either way how did the word SOCIALIST end up in there? I don't think Trotzky would approve of the system :)

- Never been good American music? Blues, jazz are uniquely American. So much of Rock and Roll is American. And though I loathe it, Rap/Hip-Hop is uniquely American.

Music is such a subjective topic, i really shouldn't have been writing about that. I didn't even think of jazz, i though of modern pop musik from the usa which, you have to admit, is horrible. It paints a pricture of men who are all either gangsters or romantic sweethearts and women who are all flaming sluts. It's not much better over here i think, well it's not worse, but i am so unspeakably opposed to this slut culture.

Anyhow, you're right, there was quite a lot of really good american music. Not that i liked it too much.

- "i dislike that america seems to be on its way to have total control of the internet (net neutrality issue)" -- put down that pot you must be smoking, first we invented the internet. Why shouldn't we control it (in reality I'm for creating international organizations for DNS registration, etc.)? Second, that is not what "net neutrality" means. "net neutrality" means that ISPs should treat traffic as traffic, not try to slow down or charge higher rates for VOIP, bittorrent, etc.


weeeeell, if my recollection doesn't let me down completely i think the basics of the internet were invented in switzerland. the us then populated that technology and some bloke wrote www. And as for the net neutrality issue having to do with the americans having control of the internet: if net neutrality gets killed off by the us government, the EU will do what they always do, which is bow down to thee o great usa. Let's face it, you do have a lot of control over the rest of the world.


Ah, I can't be bothered by the rest. I can tell by your invocation of "gang wars and ghettos" that you're just slurping up the anti-American sensationalist propoganda that's so in-vogue in your socialist media. Honestly, gang wars and ghettos? Paging Dr. Marx. I've worked with all kinds of Euro-trash before, and I'm always amazed that they expect every person to be carrying a concealed weapon and they expect to get into a gunfight going to the grocery store. Do they show you a film on the way over or what?

I'll just say, it's intresting why we have that perception. I personally have it from the american media, peopel i know there, some stereotypes and a lot of storytelling. I haven't picked it up from any sort of main stream media (because i don't read the paper and i don't have a television).

I am saddened by many of your points as they accurately capture the decline of American culture. However, I feel it's worth noting that this is also paralleled by a decline in European culture as well -- a spiral into outright socialism, declining birth rates, et al. And your non-integrated Muslim minorities in particular are a festering problem throughout the EU that will spell trouble down the road (riots in France, Londonistan, Van Gogh's murder a few years ago in Holland, etc.). You Europeans love to profess your social liberalism and bring in former colonial subjects but you don't integrate them into your mainstream society.

that is absolutely true. unfortunately.

Something that is really really important to understand is, that i have been raised with the perception that being proud of your country is wrong. Your country is your enemy, and you have to fight it every step of the way. I don't have the first idea why someone would be proud of his or her country, in fact i find it stupid, but that's just me, i hope that explains why i thought bashing your country wouldn't be a personal attack.
 
This thread is STILL alive and kicking? :blink:
 
This thread is STILL alive and kicking? :blink:

I KNOW, and the sad irony of it all is that the OP is nowhere to be seen. Off
"grooming" in a chatroom somewhere. Probably. :lol:
 
Something that is really really important to understand is, that i have been raised with the perception that being proud of your country is wrong

Perhaps that's because you were raised in a fractured half of a country that was quite recently directly responsible for the deaths of over 60,000,000 people?
 
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About the "being proud of you country" in Germany.
I think we reached a point where it's improving.
Of course, nobody will ever forget the past and with the contemporary witnesses literally dieing off, it is our generations responsibility to make that sure.

But it makes me sick when I see our current soldiers, many of which served in Afghanistan, the Kosovo, Serbia and many other places, being spit at in Train stations by ignorant leftist f*cks
 
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