I have to say the stats on these cars always look good and the the cars drive well but again its just a copy of a copy of a copy. Nothing wrong with it, you can see it, its not a bad copy, but its just like ordering a number 4 off the Mcboard. Why not spend a bit more for a eclipse or instead of the Genesis just order up any number of other cars.
Again its not that they are bad cars just forgettable the kinda of car I would buy for my company to fill out the fleet rather than chose anything risky
Fair enough, I see where you're coming from. I'm not really offended as a Lexus owner... if I wanted the standard choice I'd have gone 3er or A4.
But Lexus does pretty well I think if you actually drive one. Their mid-range cars are the best I think... they fall a little short in LS vs. competition, and a whole lot in SC vs. competition IMO. And the ES is just flaky.
About this new Genesis though, is the coupe thing gonna have the same badging? Then I guess Genesis itself is kind of a new marque they could spin-off in a few years.
And you bought a what, again? An X-Type? A downsized copy of the X308, which was a copy of the Series III, except it's really a Mondeo, which in Europe IS #4 off the McBoard.
Congratulations, you paid WAY too much for a Mondeo. So, why didn't you spend a bit more (or rather less, because the X-Type is overpriced) to get something like an Eclipse or something interesting?
This from the guy that bought one of the ultimate fleet specials. I think you should be disqualified from commenting on this thread.
1. Its a Jaguar no matter how your cut it, no one says well your Rolls is just a BMW. Were talking styling not technical base layout or engine origin
2. Jaguar's depreciation is amazing you can buy a second hand one for nearly half in just two years.
3. And what fleet has Jag's seriously the not even Enron had balls that big.
I play golf and do have friends so need a trunk and a back seat so that eliminates the eclipse but then again I don't much like "sports cars". I drive from the country to the city in snowville so I prefer four wheel drive. Besides the best car company in the world (VW) produces a car to match for about 40,000 so the even brand new the jag is more reasonable.
PS guys despite not liking sports cars I did place 3rd in North American Jaguar Club Slalom for my class with the X TYPE
Genesis body has class-leading dynamic rigidity
2008-08-01 16:11 GMT
Genesis body-in-white has impressive torsional and bending rigidity numbers, aided by high-strength steel (56.7%), shown in green, and ultra-high-strength steel (18.3%), shown in orange/red.
?The Hyundai brand is not one that would come to mind when the subject is a highly rigid body in a sports sedan for the entry-luxury market. However, the new rear-drive Genesis, Hyundai's first model to compete in that class, was benchmarked against the competition it would be facing and against cars with which it would like to be compared.
With a design that includes an aggressive use of high- and ultra-high-strength steels, the Korean manufacturer has produced a body-in-white with impressive dynamic rigidity numbers?40.9 Hz in torsion, 52.1 Hz in bending.
These both are numbers higher than those for even such indirect competitors as the BMW 5 Series (35.9/47.7) and Mercedes-Benz E-Class (36.4/48.8) that Hyundai derived in its comparison tests, noteworthy because the new Genesis is a longer car with more interior room. Its overall length is 195.9 in (4976 mm) vs. about 190 in (4752-4754 mm) for the German models, and its U.S. EPA cabin volume is 109.4 ft? (3.09 m?) vs. 99.1 ft? (2.81 m?) for the 5 Series and 97.2 ft? (2.75 m?) for the E-Class.?
The Genesis body is made up of 56.7% high-strength steel at 35-60 kg/mm? (50.8-87.0 ksi) and 18.3% ultra-high-strength steel at 60 kg/mm? and greater. Hyundai did not use the high-strength steels just to help make the body rigid but as part of an engineering effort to keep weight low. Despite its size, the Korean entry's curb weight is relatively low at about 3750 lb (1700 kg).
The B-pillars are part of a unified center structure that includes a roof rail and the floor pan's front seat mount crossmember?all made of high- or ultra-high-strength steel and integrated with the ultra-high-strength steel body side rails. In addition, there is a tubular stiffener from each side rail at the B-pillars that runs parallel to and attaches to the floor pan crossmember. The stiffeners contribute to torsional rigidity, although their primary function is to enhance side-impact performance.
The C-pillar area has V-bracing across the opening between the cabin and the luggage compartment, so like most vehicles with high rigidity numbers, this leaves only a ski-type pass-through. However, Hyundai is developing a power 60-40 split rear seat and a high-rigidity C-pillar with a full opening for the next-generation model.
Generous use of structural adhesive bead adds to body rigidity and helps reduce NVH; there is a total of 85 m (280 ft) in the joints. The adhesive is the bake-to-strengthen type, so it achieves maximum effect after the body goes through the paint oven.
Hyundai characterizes the Genesis as a sports sedan, and its stiff body does contribute to good handling. However, the high body stiffness, combined with five-link independent suspension front and rear, also provides enhanced ride comfort.
Paul Weissler
In addition to Spectre's structured and pointed response to that statement, let me simply say that, "sticking feathers in your ass does not make you a chicken".1. Its a Jaguar no matter how your cut it ...
Hyundai's really after this market. Every little bit of news I hear about it, like this whole bit on chassis rigidity impress me a little more. I'm really curious as to how it will stack up on the road.http://img50.imageshack.**/img50/1041/36003157zomex4.jpg
In addition to Spectre's structured and pointed response to that statement, let me simply say that, "sticking feathers in your ass does not make you a chicken".
I can back you up on this one. 2 months ago we actually had a 05 X-Type on our books for the Toronto area still waiting to be sold, it was deleted a long time ago but we just couldn't get rid of it. Every other 2005 car has already been sold off, the Jaguars just took the longest possibly why we no longer carry any in this region. The only 2006 cars we still have remaining are mostly Toyota Corollas that spent much of their time in a body shop(a lot of people crash these for some reason).Actually, Enron *did* buy some X-Types. So did Hertz and Enterprise.
Torsional stiffness natural frequency is measured in Hertz. Here are some numbers for beemers:You can tell the article is full of crap when you notice they measure rigidity in cycles per second.
That pretty much makes it a Mondeo and not a Jaguar, right there. Jaguars are wholly made in England.
Torsional stiffness natural frequency is measured in Hertz. Here are some numbers for beemers: