2009 Formula 1 Pre-Season Thread

Montreal admits defeat in rescue bid

The Canadian Grand Prix's chances of returning to the 2009 Formula 1 calendar appear doomed after Montreal officials said they were unwilling to meet Bernie Ecclestone's ?unreasonable? financial demands.

Montreal's mayor Gerald Tremblay admitted at a press conference on Sunday that organisers had failed in their attempts to strike a deal to reinstate the race, with the government unable to justify the cost of keeping the event at the current asking price.

Tremblay and officials from various government levels had hoped that a fresh injection of money from both public and private sources could help keep the grand prix after it was axed from next season?s schedule last month.

But the mayor says a rescue deal couldn't be agreed, with Ecclestone asking for a guarantee of CND$175m over five years and the government only willing to pay $110m.

"We were constantly guided in our negotiations by principles of responsible management,? Tremblay said in a statement.

?However, despite our endeavours and those of the business community, the unreasonable demands of Formula 1 exceeded the taxpayer's ability to pay.?

The Canadian race had been a permanent, and popular, fixture on the calendar since 1978 before it was surprisingly dropped from the provisional 2009 schedule.

Montreal authorities dismissed claims that the axe had fallen because race organisers had defaulted on payments to Ecclestone over the past three years, but did admit to a financial disagreement over the 2008 event.

Government chiefs quickly expressed their desire to find a way back onto the list and a Quebec delegation flew to London to meet with Ecclestone at the end of October, before the city worked on a package to present to Ecclestone which included input from the local business community.

Details of the contractual deliberations between the two parties have now emerged in the statement on the city?s website, with Ecclestone appearing not to have wavered from his $175m asking price which he submitted to the three levels of government in a final offer on October 28.

Montreal says it was unable to find a private promoter willing to take on such a guarantee given the limited revenue generated by the event and instead envisioned setting up a non-profit organisation to act in this role.

This was included in a final proposal sent to Ecclestone last week which offered to pay $110m over five years to stage the race, with Formula One Administration to also receive 75% of the first $10 million of profits from the race and 25% of profits thereafter.

The three levels of government also committed to making a combined $5m contribution to each grand prix, with that total to be matched by the local tourist industry.

However, Ecclestone replied in a letter last Wednesday stating that he was ?unable to yield? on his stated request to have ?the performance of the race promoter be fully guaranteed or underwritten by the Government, the City and/or institution of sound financial repute?.

He added that he felt the terms proposed ?are not economically viable? in other major aspects.

He concluded the letter by saying: ?I know we have both done our best to explore all the options to save the race, but I think we must both admit defeat on this occasion.?

Tremblay said that the city explored all possible avenues in its quest to save the race.

"We did everything that was humanly and financially possible and responsible to try to save the race," Tremblay was quoted as saying by the Montreal Gazette.

"I'm very very disappointed for Montrealers, for Quebec and Canada.?

Quebec economic development minister Raymond Bachand admitted the only way back for the Canadian GP now was for Ecclestone to lower his demands.

?We worked very hard over the past few weeks to ensure there would be a Grand Prix in Montreal, while staying fiscally responsible,? he said.

?We cannot meet Mr Ecclestone's unworkable demands. Unless he eases his requirements and adopts a different approach, there will be no Grand Prix in Montreal in 2009."

The breakdown in talks will come as a blow to Formula 1?s manufacturer teams, many of which expressed regrets that there would be no North American round in 2009 considering it was an important market for car sales and many of their major sponsors were US-based.

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Well thats that then. Another one of the good old circuits bites the dust in favour of some bland, featureless Tilke-drome in a country with no interest for F1 whatsoever. I appreciate F1 is a business, but by dumping races such as Silverstone and Montreal, eventually Ecclestone is going to lose what makes F1 so special to fans in the first place. Bahrain is a dull circuit, as is China. No redeeming features to break the monotony of looking at a desert, or in China's case, a swamp. Valencia is held in a shipping yard for fucks sake! Get rid of China, bring back Montreal and we'll call it even, eh?
 
*sigh*

Sad. I'm bitterly disappointed... it really isn't fair, but since when was anything fair, right?

Kudos for the government for trying, they were willing to front a pretty large portion of the bill, and I respect that. Bernie's just being unreasonable, but that's the way he is and we have to accept it.
 
Bernard Charles Ecclestone said:
The first day I won't be going into work is the day they will be lowering me into my grave. And that won't be for a long time to come. I feel as fit as a fiddle.
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."

Watch your mouth, Bernie. My grandad woke up one morning with chest pains complaining that he'd eaten too many plums. Before the end of that day he was dead. And he was "only" 72.

Bernard Charles Ecclestone said:
I can't believe there isn't a country in the world that doesn't want a Grand Prix.
Afghanistan. Iraq. Iran. North Korea. The Vatican. Syria. Nepal. Somalia, Sierra Leone, Sudan, and any other African country torn apart by civil war, not necessarily beginning with S. Every single tiny state in the Pacific composed of a few atolls. The People's Democratic Lentil-Munching Republic of Al Gore.

And there are probably more.

Bahrain is a dull circuit
Understatement of the millennium; it's only rivalled in dullness by the Casablanca circuit of 1958, which was hastily dropped off the 1959 calendar after it took the life of Stuart Lewis-Evans. Bahrain may have had no fatalities but even if it does, it'll still be imposed on us year after year by Bernie's bean-counters.

Even the Worst Circuit Ever, the go-kart track round the Caesar's Palace car park, had its attraction. At least for those people who like losing money.

Valencia is held in a shipping yard for fucks sake!
I think we can save the Valencia Grand Prix.

Hold it at the MotoGP circuit!
 
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This really sucks...I loved the Canadian GP, it was my favourite race...all the new circuits are amazingly rubbish...
 
Hold it at the MotoGP circuit!

There were plans to have a F1 race at Circuit de Valencia (in reverse). But they scrapped those plans for that brilliant harbor track..

And with brilliant i mean insanely dull..
 
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testing with the look cars
 
Whats worse is that the Honda actually looks better. :|
 
Oh my god that is digusting. It looks like a gross chariacature!!! The mid section looks much better but those wings. oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no. I don't care how close the racing is.

Sad.....Panda!!
 
oh my God that looks horrid. The rear wing looks waaay too tiny and the front one waaay too wide.

Also, massive grip on front wheels + minimum grip on rears = Can you say 'oversteer'?
 
The new cars really look horrible. What's up with that rear spoiler? They should hire designers in stead of engineers I say :p
 
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From the side, it actually looks rather nice without all the stupid aero appendages. But the front... really awful. For now. These are still transitional cars, so not the full 2009-spec cars. I hope they look better, with the 2009 aero parts integrated better into the design.
 
Oh, it's not bad from the side! They should only show the cars from that angle in the tv coverage and pics...

Otherwise it looks like a ...err.. no, I don't have words for it.
 
Oh, it's not bad from the side! They should only show the cars from that angle in the tv coverage and pics...

:lol:

yes these are "hybrid" test cars, no the full 09 cars, so let's hope that the 09 car doesn't look THAT BAD, if that is the case will be a bit hard to get used to it...

here a honda 08 with slicks and 09 front wing!?
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:)
 
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