News: Golf GTD announced

NooDle

NooDle

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My apologies for bringing taking your attention away from the porn that is the Pagani Zonda R, but I'm here to bring you a tractor engine in a hatchback, since I have a thing for fast diesels (see also : what I drive)

The Golf GTD then. For us Euro's it's a common sight, for the rest of the world, maybe not. It's basically a Golf GTI body with a powerful diesel engine in it, giving you the looks and the power of a GTI, but combined with the fuel efficiency of a diesel.

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Specs on the "new" GTD Golf :

2.0 liter TDI engine, producing 170 hp and 350 Nm of torque
0-100 kph = 8.1 seconds
topspeed = 222 kph (138 mph)
fuel : 5.3 liters/100 km (53 US MPG, 44 UK MPG)
CO2 : 139 gr/km

DO WANT...
 
7.2 from what I read

but to me, that's not what it's about. 8.2 is plenty quick, it looks exactly the same as a GTI (except for one letter :p) and costs nothing to run
 
So that's the same engine as in the Skoda Octavia RS TDI? If that's so, I've heard that it's a pretty good diesel
 
So... we're going to see this in the US?
 
NooDle said:
7.2 from what I read

but to me, that's not what it's about. 8.2 is plenty quick, it looks exactly the same as a GTI (except for one letter :p) and costs nothing to run
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VW always underestimate their 0-60's. You can get a manual GTI to 60 in 6 sec easy peasy.
 
I do think that the latest "generation" of Golfs looks great. I'm not sure about the performance on this one though. It's a diesel, sure, but it's performance is equal to a hatchback that are over 20 years old (an Opel Kadett from '88 is just as fast.).

What I'm saying is just that I'd rather the GTi instead of the GTD.
 
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AiR said:
Most definately not. Yes. Nope. If Jupiter and Pluto is in alignment, maybe yes. I'm quite confident you won't see it. Maybe.
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I'd be surprised if we get it. #$%& our laws sucks. So it's basically a GTI with a diesel? That sounds like a fantastic little car, especially considering it gets 50+mpg and still performs somewhat decently.
 
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No... just no! :no:

Why the diesel over the petrol and TRUE Gti?

Everytime I see a GTD I can't help asking myself why you want the diesel over the petrol. If the answer is economy, then get a normal Golf with the simple diesel engine (which does more mpg). If you want power, why do you want the diesel then???

I just can't see the point of powerful diesels. I see them as train locomotives. Made to pull, not to turn.
 
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Our laws are annoying as well here in Sweden. Tuning your vehicle is somewhat illegal and there are more taxes in owning a diesel so you don't save any money unless it's a really new and clean diesel.
 
Vltros said:
No... just no! :no:

Why the diesel over the petrol and TRUE Gti?

Everytime I see a GTD I can't help asking myself why you want the diesel over the petrol. If the answer is economy, then get a normal Golf with the simple diesel engine (which does more mpg). If you want power, why do you want the diesel then???

I just can't see the point of powerful diesels. I see them as train locomotives. Made to pull, not to turn.
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I can see the point.. If you want something economic that is still able to actually move you forwards at a decent pace.

Obviously, for the experience of driving, the petrol version will be better. But i bet on a day to day basis, this is probably even nicer to drive. More low down torque, which, let' face it, is what you need most of the time.

I sure wouldn?t mind driving this one. The petrol is still more desirable, but this is brilliant as well.
 
Buktu said:
I can see the point.. If you want something economic that is still able to actually move you forwards at a decent pace.

Obviously, for the experience of driving, the petrol version will be better. But i bet on a day to day basis, this is probably even nicer to drive. More low down torque, which, let' face it, is what you need most of the time.

I sure wouldn?t mind driving this one. The petrol is still more desirable, but this is brilliant as well.
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Buktu is right.

Yes, the petrol engine is more powerful, more sporty, more fun.

But it's also more expensive to run. If you do high mileage and don't want to waste too much money on petrol, but do want a little more power, then that is your car.

Also, a diesel engine is not sport for purists, but the power is still there, fuel consumption is lower, and the torque is great, and, due to it, on some uphill roads a diesel car can be faster than more powerful petrol cars (there's always a limit, clearly).

I have a Golf diesel, I'd surely have another one.
 
Vltros said:
I just can't see the point of powerful diesels. I see them as train locomotives. Made to pull, not to turn.
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Lower emissions and therefore lower tax (*), more grunt, more economy. And unless your morning commute is around the N?rburgring, the driving experience is the same as a petrol car.

Holiace said:
Our laws are annoying as well here in Sweden. Tuning your vehicle is somewhat illegal and there are more taxes in owning a diesel so you don't save any money unless it's a really new and clean diesel.
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Current tax system is stupid, fortunately we only have to live with it for a few more months. The new system is so much better, my tax will drop by almost 50%. New <120g CO2/km cars sold after 1/7/09 are tax free.
 
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Vltros said:
Why the diesel over the petrol and TRUE Gti?
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I expected a reply like this.

Of course we all WANT the GTI, but some of us are teh poor, and can not realistically afford to run it. Sure, it sounds better, accelerates better, but it also has higher maintenance costs, it burns more fuel, and the fuel itself is more expensive.

so you can get 90% of the driving experience in a car that will last longer, and cost less getting there. I see no downside at all

As AiR said, unless you drive on the Nurburgring on a daily basis, you'll hardly notice it isn't a "real" GTI.

Makes sense, this car...
 
NooDle said:
I expected a reply like this.

Of course we all WANT the GTI, but some of us are teh poor, and can not realistically afford to run it. Sure, it sounds better, accelerates better, but it also has higher maintenance costs, it burns more fuel, and the fuel itself is more expensive.

so you can get 90% of the driving experience in a car that will last longer, and cost less getting there. I see no downside at all

As AiR said, unless you drive on the Nurburgring on a daily basis, you'll hardly notice it isn't a "real" GTI.

Makes sense, this car...
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I see your point there, but then there's the Golf GT. 180bhp for a 1.4 TFSI isn't bad at all (and not as expensive as the GTI).

Is not that the idea behind the GTD (or any other sporty diesel car) is bad but I still find it hard to "understand". Probably that's due to the fact that I don't like at all how a diesel engine works or performs. I'm a petrolhead and I'll always be.

I like the sensation of power you get accelerating a diesel car but then you get into a petrol one and by the time you changed gears twice in the diesel you are still in the same one. Because you might get more torques than a petrol one. But the petrol one has them avaliable more time. I think they are perfect highway cruisers but when it comes to their sportiness is where I see their problems.

Of course we don't drive (at least I don't) our cars like we were racing everyday. And there's also "that day" that you feel like going a little bit faster and probably if you do that you don't need a petrol one (if you are not going to use it better get a diesel and save money).

But I dunno... of course it's just my opinion and I wouldn't say no to a GTD if I were given one :p
 
Jeez, welcome to 2009 guys.

I've got news for you: Diesel is winning races now, not driving tractors.
 
NooDle said:
(53 US MPG, 44 UK MPG)
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Seeing as the US Gallon is smaller than the UK Gallon, the only way you're gonna get more miles out of it is if the US Mile is also significantly shorter.
 
AiR said:
New <120g CO2/km cars sold after 1/7/09 are tax free.
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Yeah. The thing is though, if you drive a petrol car on gas you only let out 1/8th of the Co2/km compared with running it on petrol.

So a Murcielago running on gas would release less Co2 than a Prius i think.
 
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