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From AP via Yahoo. Please note that this isn't my title, it's the Associated Press title.

Obama to impose tariffs on Chinese tires
Obama imposes tariffs on China tires for 3 years, a decision that could anger Asian powerhouse

* By Jennifer Loven, AP White House Correspondent
* On Friday September 11, 2009, 11:47 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama on Friday slapped punitive tariffs on all car and light truck tires entering the United States from China in a decision that could anger the strategically important Asian powerhouse but placate union supporters important to his health care push at home.

Obama had until Sept. 17 -- next week -- to accept, reject or modify a U.S. International Trade Commission ruling that a rising tide of Chinese tires into the U.S. hurts American producers. A powerful union, United Steelworkers, blames the increase for the loss of thousands of American jobs.

The federal trade panel recommended a 55 percent tariff in the first year, 45 percent in the second year and 35 percent in the third year. Obama settled on slightly lower penalties -- an extra 35 percent in the first year, 30 percent in the second, and 25 percent in the third, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

"The president decided to remedy the clear disruption to the U.S. tire industry based on the facts and the law in this case," Gibbs said.

By taking "this unprecedented action, the Obama administration is now at odds with its own public statements about refraining from increasing tariffs above current levels," said Vic DeIorio, executive vice president, GITI Tire (U.S.), the largest manufacturer of tires in China.

The decision comes as U.S. officials are working with the Chinese and other nations to plan an economic summit of the Group of 20 leading rich and developing nations in Pittsburgh, to be held Sept. 24-25. China will be a major presence at the meeting, and the United States will be eager to show it supports free trade.

Many of the nearly two dozen world leaders Obama is hosting have made strong statements critical of countries that protect their key industries. Obama, too, has spoken out strongly against protectionism, and other countries will view his decision on tires as a test of that stance.

Governments around the world have suggested the United States talks tough against protectionism only when its own industries are not threatened. U.S. rhetoric on free trade also has been questioned because of a "Buy American" provision in the U.S. stimulus package.

The decision could have ramifications in other high-priority areas, too.

The White House badly needs Chinese help to confront climate change, nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea and global economic turmoil. China is the world's third-largest economy and a veto-holding member of the United Nations Security Council.

Beijing says the duties would be a violation of global free-trade principles and has complained about U.S. protectionism.

And Roy Littlefield, executive vice president of the Tire Industry Association, which opposes the tariff, said it would not save American jobs but only cause tire manufacturers to move production to another country with less strict environmental and safety controls, less active unions and lower costs than the United States.

At the same time, Obama needs support from unions -- also a key backer of the Democratic Party in elections -- as he makes a high-stakes push for national health care legislation.

Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, D-N.Y., who chairs the House Rules Committee, said that although the 35 percent levy was less than the 55 percent recommended in July by the ITC, it was still a significant statement of administration support for organized labor.

To reach a compromise on health care, Obama may need concessions from pro-labor Democrats who support a strong stand against China.

The steelworkers union brought the original case in April, accusing China of making a recent push to unload more tires ahead of Obama's expected action. The union says more than 5,000 tire workers have lost jobs since 2004, as Chinese tire overwhelmed the U.S. market.

The U.S. trade representative's office said four tire plants closed in 2006 and 2007 and three more are closing this year. During that time, just one new plant opened. U.S. imports of Chinese tires more than tripled from 2004 to 2008 and China's market share in the U.S. went from 4.7 percent of tires purchased in 2004 to 16.7 percent in 2008, the office said.

"When China came in to the (World Trade Organization), the U.S. negotiated the ability to impose remedies in situations just like this one," U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk said. "This administration is doing what is necessary to enforce trade agreements on behalf of American workers and manufacturers. Enforcing trade laws is key to maintaining an open and free trading system."

The new tariffs, on top of an existing 4 percent tariff on all tire imports, take effect Sept. 26.

Obama's action marks a shift from the Bush administration, which was routinely criticized for being too delicate in confronting Beijing's alleged trade violations. Obama promised during his presidential campaign that he would do it differently.

For the Chinese government, the tire dispute threatens an economic relationship crucial to China's economic growth. There was speculation before the decision that new tariffs could produce public pressure on Beijing to retaliate, potentially sparking a dangerous trade war.

Soaring Chinese imports of American chicken meat already have been mentioned by Chinese state media as a possible target. Beijing also could sell some of its extensive holdings of U.S. Treasury debt, which could unsettle markets.

The decision was announced by the White House late Friday evening, a time when significant news often gets less attention because of the hour and the upcoming weekend. Administration officials had to wait until it was morning in China so that they could notify Chinese officials before publicizing the decision.

So, in addition to reducing competition in the US tire market (thus driving prices up), Our Dear Leader may have just pissed off the single largest holder of US debt. All to bail out his union buddies again.

Oops.

Might want to stock up on tires... Not that Chinese tires are particularly good, but because they exert price pressure on the market and keep prices down.
 
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What tire brands are going to be affected by this?

You can pretty much expect most every tire brand to raise prices - just how much they raise it is a subject for speculation. Brands that are going to be affected, just off the top of my head, include Toyo, Nitto, Cheng Shin, IRC, and others.

Unfortunately, this is going to screw an awful lot of motorcycle and scooter riders.

Also, there is precedent for this - a huge tariff was placed on import vehicles in the 70s because they were 'too cheap'. Well, the imports just kept coming and the domestics raised their prices anyway.


Edit: Further research shows that Hankook Tires is being screwed by this as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aim7KxJm4vAE

Hankook Falls After U.S. Imposes 35% Tariff on China-Made Tires
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By Kyunghee Park

Sept. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Hankook Tire Co., the largest overseas tiremaker in China, fell the most in three months in Seoul trading after the U.S. slapped a 35 percent tariff on Chinese-made tires.

The Korean automaker dropped as much as 8.1 percent, in Seoul trading, the biggest intraday decline since May 25. It was down 7.9 percent at 20,400 won as of 10:45 a.m. Aeolus Tyre Co., the largest Chinese-listed tiremaker by market capitalization, fell as much as 8.9 percent in Shanghai.

Seoul-based Hankook, which exports about 12 percent of its Chinese output, will switch to shipping tires from South Korean plants, it said in an e-mailed statement today. President Barack Obama imposed the levy after the United Steelworkers complained that Chinese imports were pushing U.S. workers out of jobs.

?There is concern that Hankook Tire could be affected by the U.S. decision,? said Kevin Lee, an analyst at Shinhan Investment Corp. in Seoul. He has a ?buy? recommendation on the stock.
 
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What tire brands are going to be affected by this?

A quick Google finds that the only affected tires are the $25/corner shit ones that you can only ever seem to find at a certain department store that starts with "Wal" and ends with "mart". The rest are produced in the US, Canada, Europe, Mexico, or non-Chinese Asian nations.

This is a good thing - the sooner we can get good shoes onto the average idiot's car, the sooner they can stop sliding around like idiots when it rains.

(As an aside, I had my tires changed at Wal Mart once because I'd put a hole through one of the good tires, one pair was ready for replacement anyway, but I wanted to get the whole car onto a uniform set of good rubber - so I was going to replace the bad pair with some Walmart garbage until I'd gotten my money's worth on the remaining good pair.

Idiots changed the wrong two.)
 
China is complaining about American protectionism? Isn't the pot that calling the kettle black.
 
A quick Google finds that the only affected tires are the $25/corner shit ones that you can only ever seem to find at a certain department store that starts with "Wal" and ends with "mart". The rest are produced in the US, Canada, Europe, Mexico, or non-Chinese Asian nations.

Not necessarily. Hankook Tire does make some of those, but they've been cranking up the performance tire department as well.

You've also forgotten that several of the "US" or "European" brands often have models made in China.

Plus, come on, US tires aren't the greatest at all times either. One word: Firestone.
 
Good thing the Chinese don't own any US securities. Oh wait!

All well if this works we may get some badass dirigibles. :p

//I may be biased, I had a grandfather who worked for Goodyear.
 
Not necessarily. Hankook Tire does make some of those, but they've been cranking up the performance tire department as well.

You've also forgotten that several of the "US" or "European" brands often have models made in China.

Plus, come on, US tires aren't the greatest at all times either. One word: Firestone.

Tires do tend to fail when the manufacturer tells you to under inflate them.
 
Not necessarily. Hankook Tire does make some of those, but they've been cranking up the performance tire department as well.

And you've also forgotten that several of the "US" or "European" brands often have models made in China.

True, I wasn't exactly thorough in my research. Bottom line is that the government has thus far managed to inconvenience us, but hasn't managed to cripple us yet- sufficient capacity exists in other parts of the world to pick up the slack on most types of tires.

Fear not though, because Obama WILL manage to properly outlaw driving at some point within the next 4 years.
 
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Good thing the Chinese don't own any US securities. Oh wait!

All well if this works we may get some badass dirigibles. :p

//I may be biased, I had a grandfather who worked for Goodyear.


Yeah, this is about the dumbest way to attempt to keep Chinese tires out of the US that I can think of.

If they'd been smart (asking way too much from this administration, I know), you simply raise the minimum standards for tires and require by-the-lot testing. Most of the Chinese tires would fail miserably and both 'protectionist' and safety interests would be served - plus the Chinese couldn't complain about it without looking like idiots.

Tires do tend to fail when the manufacturer tells you to under inflate them.

This is true and part of the problem was in fact bad instructions. On the other hand, I've seen one of the defective Firestones come apart and tires are not supposed to disintegrate like that. Between the crappiness of the Ranger-based Explorer's handling, Ford's idiot recommendations, and Firestone's idiotic designs there was a perfect storm in which all parties share blame.

A better example would have been the US-made Pirelli Phantom motorycle tire. So miserably compounded, it had negative traction in the rain and killed a lot of riders.
 
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The guy at midas was talking about the firestone explorer thing. The stick axle went with the tires, but ford chose a different tire pressure or something.

My rear tires are chinese. They are definitely better than the American ones up in front...but then again, maybe it isn't fair to compare sport tires to some MX4's.

I will probably change my opinion when the chinese ones inevitably fail.
 
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Haven't the Chinese, for years now, been putting tariffs on foreign (to them) made goods? link

If there is one countries shit I'm all for putting tariffs on, it's China.
 
Yup, and we've done the same thing.

But, wait... didn't this President promise that he'd do it different than prior administrations, that he'd be more for free trade and that he was against protectionism? Guess that makes him a... wait for it... liar.

:p
 
Might want to stock up on tires... Not that Chinese tires are particularly good, but because they exert price pressure on the market and keep prices down.

Thats why you put them on the rear axle :p
 
But why would the prices for American made tires go up?

Not that I want to buy US made tires...my current GoodYear's are APPALLING!
 
Chinese tyres? Who buys Chinese tyres?

Tyres are the bit between you and the road - I never fit budget tyres, in normal conditions they may be OK, but in harsh weather - a death trap. Stump up and buy decent ones - Michelins (best IMHO), Pirellis, Continentals of Dunlops. ... There are some others that are good.

The price goes up btw because supply falls with demand staying the same - law of supply and demand.
 
Well, that didn't take long. Via the New York Times:

China Moves to Retaliate Against U.S. Tire Tariff

By KEITH BRADSHER
Published: September 13, 2009

HONG KONG ? China unexpectedly increased pressure Sunday on the United States in a widening trade dispute, taking the first steps toward imposing tariffs on American exports of automotive products and chicken meat in retaliation for President Obama?s decision late Friday to levy tariffs on tires from China.

The Chinese government?s strong countermove followed a weekend of nationalistic vitriol against the United States on Chinese Web sites in response to the tire tariff. ?The U.S. is shameless!? said one posting, while another called on the Chinese government to sell all of its huge holdings of Treasury bonds.

The impact of the dispute extends well beyond tires, chickens and cars. Both governments are facing domestic pressure to take a tougher stand against the other on economic issues. But the trade battle increases political tensions between the two nations even as they try to work together to revive the global economy and combat mutual security threats, like the nuclear ambitions of Iran and North Korea.

Mr. Obama?s decision to impose a tariff of up to 35 percent on Chinese tires is a signal that he plans to deliver on his promise to labor unions that he would more strictly enforce trade laws, especially against China, which has become the world?s factory while the United States has lost millions of manufacturing jobs. The trade deficit with China was a record $268 billion in 2008.

China had initially issued a fairly formulaic criticism of the tire dispute Saturday. But rising nationalism in China is making it harder for Chinese officials to gloss over American criticism.

?All kinds of policymaking, not just trade policy, is increasingly reactive to Internet opinion,? said Victor Shih, a Northwestern University specialist in economic policy formulation.

Eswar Prasad, a former China division chief at the International Monetary Fund, said that rising trade tensions between the United States and China could become hard to control. They could cloud the Group of 20 meeting of leaders of industrialized and fast-growing emerging nations in Pittsburgh on Sept. 24 and 25, and perhaps affect Mr. Obama?s visit to Beijing in November.

?This spat about tires and chickens could turn ugly very quickly,? Mr. Prasad said.

China exported $1.3 billion in tires to the United States in the first seven months of 2009, while the United States shipped about $800 million in automotive products and $376 million in chicken meat to China, according to data from Global Trade Information Services in Columbia, S.C.

For many years, American politicians have been able to take credit domestically for standing up to China by taking largely symbolic measures against Chinese exports in narrowly defined categories. In the last five years, the Commerce Department has restricted Chinese imports of goods as diverse as bras and oil well equipment.

For the most part, Chinese officials have grumbled but done little, preferring to preserve a trade relationship in which the United States buys $4.46 worth of Chinese goods for every $1 worth of American goods sold to China.

Now, the delicate equilibrium is being disturbed.

China?s commerce ministry announced Sunday that it would investigate ?certain imported automotive products and certain imported chicken meat products originating from the United States? to determine if they were being subsidized or ?dumped? below cost in the Chinese market. A finding of subsidies or dumping would allow China to impose tariffs on these imports.

The ministry did not mention the tire dispute in its announcement, portraying the investigations as ?based on the laws of our country and on World Trade Organization rules.?

But the timing of the announcement ? on a weekend and just after the tire decision in Washington ? sent an unmistakable message of retaliation. The official Xinhua news agency Web site prominently linked its reports on the tire dispute and the Chinese investigations.

The commerce ministry statement, posted on its Web site, also hinted obliquely at the harm that a trade war could do while Western nations and Japan struggle to emerge from a severe economic downturn. ?China is willing to continue efforts with various countries to make sure that the world economy recovers as quickly as possible,? the statement said.

The Chinese government sometimes organizes blog postings to defend its own policies. But some postings on the tire decision have been implicitly critical of the Chinese government, making it unlikely that they are part of an orchestrated effort.

?Why did our government purchase so much U.S. government debt?? said one posting signed by a ?Group of Angry Youths.? It continued, ?We should get rid of all such U.S. investments.?


China has accumulated $2 trillion in foreign reserves, mostly in Treasury bonds and other dollar-denominated assets, and held down the value of its currency, which has kept Chinese goods quite inexpensive in foreign markets. China?s exports have soared ? China surpassed Germany in the first half of this year as the world?s largest exporter ? while China?s imports have lagged, except for commodities like iron ore and oil that China lacks.

Worries that China might sell Treasury bonds ? or even slow down its purchases of them ? have been a concern for the Bush and Obama administrations as they have tried to figure out how to address China?s trade and currency policies.

At the same time, the Chinese economy relies heavily on exports to the United States, while the American economy is much less dependent on exports in the other direction. Exports to the United States, at 6 percent of China?s entire economic output, account for 13 times as large a share of the Chinese economy as exports to China represent for the United States economy.

Carol J. Guthrie, a spokeswoman for the Office of the United States trade representative, said that the United States wanted to avoid disputes with China and continue talks, but would look at any Chinese trade decisions for whether they comply with W.T.O. rules.

Products involved in trade disputes between the United States and China together make up only a minuscule sliver of the two countries? trade relationship.

The bigger risk for China, economists and corporate executives have periodically warned, is that trade frictions could cause multinationals to rethink their heavy reliance on Chinese factories in their supply chains. The Chinese targeting of autos and chickens affects two industries that may have the political muscle in the United States to dissuade the Obama administration from aggressively challenging China?s policies.

General Motors sees much of its growth coming from its China subsidiary, the second-largest auto company in China after Volkswagen. And the farm lobby in the United States has long pressed for maximum access to a market of 1.3 billion mouths.

But spotlighting automotive trade may be risky for China. G.M. and Ford both rely mostly on local production to supply the Chinese market, while China is rapidly increasing auto parts shipments to the United States.

Incompetence and lying in action in this administration. No surprise there.
 
Those uber-cheap Yokohamas will be okay still, yes? The drift ones you're supposed to tear up.
 
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