France is at it again.....

Sorry but piracy won't kill optical media, iTunes, Amazon, Steam, and other downloadible media will.

Downloadable content will be the death of my job eventually, but for HD films, if simply takes too long at the moment.

Hold up, people, optical media will not die. :lol: It will get faster and eventually replace magnetic media, if anything. But it certainly won't die. The only reason you'd lose your job is if the company you work for has stuborn executives that don't want to change their business plan and go into areas that are more profitable. Instead of printing media disks, they could make ultra-fast blank media that would start this optical-media trend. But they will likely bet on the new anti-piracy laws to keep them afloat and that's what's going to do them in: stupidity.

That's the one thing I see wrong with this whole intellectual property industry: everyone's whining and wanting to shaft the little guy and almost no companies out there behave like multi-million-dollar companies should: adapt, scrap systems that don't return enough profits and replace them with more profitable product lines, or leave the industry and go with something that brings in higher returns with lower risks. Everyone complains, nobody is really doing the intelligent thing and change the way they do business so that they can do well despite the threat of piracy ...

Buying a pig in a bag is dangerous because you never know what you'll get.
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So buying a pig in a bag is like a box of chocolates ... :p because of Parkinsons.
 
Optical media will disappear or be severely limited. I don't see it being unearthed from a shallow grave either.

Faster Internet connections and huge hard drives are making them obsolete. They will go the way of the floppy disc. Transferring files can be done with flash drives. Flash prices will keep going down, and they are far quicker to make and can be rewritten to many more times and much more conveniently than optical media.

Buying a pig in a bag is dangerous because you never know what you'll get.
Dirty minded argatoga :p

So is getting drunk at a bar/party. :p
 
Optical media will disappear or be severely limited. I don't see it being unearthed from a shallow grave either.

Faster Internet connections and huge hard drives are making them obsolete. They will go the way of the floppy disc. Transferring files can be done with flash drives. Flash prices will keep going down, and they are far quicker to make and can be rewritten to many more times and much more conveniently than optical media.



So is getting drunk at a bar/party. :p

This. Also, no moving parts on flash. No moving parts means less wear and tear. Less wear and tear is awesome.
 
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Optical media will disappear or be severely limited. I don't see it being unearthed from a shallow grave either.

Faster Internet connections and huge hard drives are making them obsolete. They will go the way of the floppy disc. Transferring files can be done with flash drives. Flash prices will keep going down, and they are far quicker to make and can be rewritten to many more times and much more conveniently than optical media.

This. Also, no moving parts on flash. No moving parts means less wear and tear. Less wear and tear is awesome.

Wrong and wrong. The demand for larger storage will grow exponentially as it did in years before for a long time. Also, the customers are demanding storage media to be smaller and smaller every time.

Magnetic storage media will not survive because it will reach a point where they can't fit enough bits in the media. The data track will be too small and data from one track will affect data from the other track ... or corrupt it altogether by means of magnetic interference.

Flash media will also go the way of the garbage. Smaller and smaller chips will be invented, but it will also reach a spot where it can't be made smaller and with incresed capacity at the same time, just like CPUs are today, you need 2 cores to get it to run faster. And if they do make them smaller beyond that point, the metal conductors will corrupt data that has gone through other conductors by way of magnetic induction.

Optical media will never suffer from this. It can get continually smaller and receive more capacity at the same time. All you need is a laser with a much smaller wavelength to read and write from it. And the magnetic interference will never happen, because all you have is one line feeding the laser. Thus the "hard-disks" of the future will all have optical media technology in them.
 
Flash media will also go the way of the garbage. Smaller and smaller chips will be invented, but it will also reach a spot where it can't be made smaller and with incresed capacity at the same time, just like CPUs are today, you need 2 cores to get it to run faster. And if they do make them smaller beyond that point, the metal conductors will corrupt data that has gone through other conductors by way of magnetic induction.

When will you hit a point where you can't get both smaller and bigger? Take a MicroSD card, smaller than my thumb and already at 16GB. Flash development is going to get more in a smaller space. Besides, as mentioned previously, it doesn't move. Shocks and bumps are irrelevant, there's nothing to get out of alignment, which is very important for laptops and still very nice on desktops.

And you realize that there will be a tipping point for optical as well? Space is finite, you're going to run out at some point, it doesn't matter what format you're using. I'll take the one that doesn't have moving parts, thanks.
 
When will you hit a point where you can't get both smaller and bigger? Take a MicroSD card, smaller than my thumb and already at 16GB. Flash development is going to get more in a smaller space.
You don't get what flash memory is and how it works. It's an EEPROM memory chip. Basically, it's a bunch of transistors put inside a grid of conductors. you can make the transistors smaller, depending on the technology, but you can't make the conductors thinner. If you make them too thin, they won't carry enough current to do their job. So the conductors have to stay the same size and have to have the same amount of current. Let's assume that there's no limit to how small a transistor you can make ... the conductors still have to stay the same size, and as the transistors get smaller, the conductors will get closer and closer to each other. Since these conductors are inside a chip and are unshielded, ultimately, they will get close enough that one conductor's current will induce a current into the neighboring conductor because of the magnetic field that its current generate. That's when you hit the limit. The only way to increase capacity for flash media from there is to increase in size.

Besides, as mentioned previously, it doesn't move. Shocks and bumps are irrelevant, there's nothing to get out of alignment, which is very important for laptops and still very nice on desktops.
You're thinking of optical media in terms of CDs, DVDs, BluRay, etc.
Optical media does not have to be that way. The technology was developed this way because of the way hard drives have worked in the past. Same thing with floppy disks. To have a spinning disk go around and read data off of it as it goes past is an idea pretty much taken from vinyl record players. Very outdated.

But it doesn't have to go that way. You can have your sensor and writer travel about your media instead of having the media moving on you.

The problem with shocks and bumps is that current optical media drives are poorly constructed and designed. They have a spinning disk ... which wobbles as it spins which as quite bendable and is very badly anchored at its center. If optical media drives were designed to have s solid build and the optical media was anchored at several points on the outside as well, that wouldn't be a problem.

If you have the media sit still and have a sensor inside the drive that reads it which can quickly move across the media, you'll have very fast speed and very little moving parts, maybe even no moving parts whatsoever.

So, you'll ask, why hasn't anyone thought of this yet? Well, they have. Then you'll ask why the technology has not been put it practice. And the answer is: it's too expensive to develop, it's much easier to develop anti-skip technology on an already-existing invention than pour a whole bunch of money to pretty much reinvent the wheel. And even if the technology was commercialized, it would cost much more to build than your typical optical drive, thus its price would be astronomical.

And you realize that there will be a tipping point for optical as well? Space is finite, you're going to run out at some point, it doesn't matter what format you're using. I'll take the one that doesn't have moving parts, thanks.
Again, you don't know how optical media works. It is based on having a track of data on a reflective surface and shining a laser down to the surface. Based on whether the light is reflected off of that small point on it, the receiver detects a 0 or a 1. This track is like a spiral on current optical media ... but it can be put in rows, grids, whatever shape you choose to have it as. The way they fit more data on the same size optical media or a smaller optical media is they make the reflective points on it (the spots which tell whether there's a 0 or a 1) smaller and smaller. And in order to detect these points, the laser that shines on them is made of a smaller and smaller wavelength. Thus ... there is almost no limit to how small you can make the little dots that store data ... and they can go way smaller than a transistor or a metal conductor inside a flash memory could go ... and there's almost no limit to how small you can make the wavelength on a laser go ... again, you can make it much smaller than the smallest thread of metal you can make.

But, you may be right. There is a limit to how small you can make the data on optical media. It's called the atomic scale. You can make the wavelength of light however small you want, but you can't make an atom smaller than it already is. And if you want your light to bounce off something, it has to have matter in its path. If the wavelength is too small, it passes in between the atoms and does not reflect.
 
Are there dyes that can handle that many rewrites?
 
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