Jeremy in scuffle with paparazzo

It wasn't exactly a private setting, it was in a restaurant. And I don't think the guy broke any laws, unlike trying to steal someones personal property...

Celebrities just need to deal with it. When you go out in public, expect to be recognized and annoyed. That's why you get paid the big bucks.


Yes, and no. Depends on the situation.

If James and Jeremy took a table at the end of the day, maybe back towards the back part of the diner,where they would then be out of the line of sight for anyone walking bye, meaning they were just looking for a bit of peace of quiet...then most people "fanboi" or not should respect that. Just cut them a bit of slack. And the little I've read about this is telling me this didn't happen. Really.

I don't see the problem with what Jeremy did.

Yes, being on TV means that you give up some privacy, but whether I've had a bad day or not, when I'm taking maybe 10 minutes out of my long ass (18 hour+) day to just sit down, try to relax and finally eat something that didn't come out of a vending machine...

And you want to come over, while I'm trying to at least pretend that I have a few minutes to myself for the first time today, and not just ask politely, but shove a camera into my face as though me being a celebrity gives you that right?

Well...I'd boot you so hard and even let you pose pretty for your camera while I kick you in the gonads over and over. I might even be nice enough to host that delicious bit of video on my own YouTube site.



But hey, that's just me. :)
 
Yes, and no. Depends on the situation.

If James and Jeremy took a table at the end of the day, maybe back towards the back part of the diner,where they would then be out of the line of sight for anyone walking bye, meaning they were just looking for a bit of peace of quiet...then most people "fanboi" or not should respect that. Just cut them a bit of slack. And the little I've read about this is telling me this didn't happen. Really.

I don't see the problem with what Jeremy did.

Yes, being on TV means that you give up some privacy, but whether I've had a bad day or not, when I'm taking maybe 10 minutes out of my long ass (18 hour+) day to just sit down, try to relax and finally eat something that didn't come out of a vending machine...

And you want to come over, while I'm trying to at least pretend that I have a few minutes to myself for the first time today, and not just ask politely, but shove a camera into my face as though me being a celebrity gives you that right?

Well...I'd boot you so hard and even let you pose pretty for your camera while I kick you in the gonads over and over. I might even be nice enough to host that delicious bit of video on my own YouTube site.



But hey, that's just me. :)


And hopefully you would get charged with assault. Celebrities have no superior rights to normal people, they may think so, but at the end of the day they're nothing special.
So to think like that is preposterous.
 
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And hopefully you would get charged with assault. Celebrities have no superior rights to normal people, they may think so, but at the end of the day they're nothing special.
So to think like that is preposterous.

Aha. That is generally true.

But If this were you or me just walking down the street and being hounded as they can be...then just wanting to eat some food in piece and quiet...way back in the back where we wont be a bother, honestly, and leaning back in your chair for that well deserved quiet (even for 5 whole minutes)....then some guy you don't know starts shoving a camera into your face for pictures.

"Just one more pic, Jezza! Yeah, I know you said no...but you're a celebrity! So that gives me a lot of rights!! Now...smile for the camera!""

Is a bit of piece and quiet too much to ask for? Hell, during the filming for the Romanian tour, someone took a video of poor James just taking a whizz out in a bush.

And a lot worse things.

Being a celebrity does give up a lot of freedom, but it doesn't take it ALL away, or the chance to just try to be a normal person for a few minutes....
 
So under your theory anyone that's known publicly should stay in their hotel room and eat if they don't want to be annoyed by boofheaded unpolite yobs.

Yes, it is part of the price of fame. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen .. etc

This guy didn't walk up to Clarkson and start abusing him, he simply took a photograph (or 2). He didn't even ask for his autograph.
 
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The whole idea that just because you're on the TV you have no rights to any privacy outside your own home is garbage. Everybody has a right to some boundaries between them and the public. They get paid megabucks (although not that mega, in the case of Richard and James at least) because that is the going rate for the job they do. They're famous because they happen to be extremely good at that job and work very hard at it. They are also happy to oblige people with photos and autographs, as has been witnessed many times by members of this forum, provided people have the courtesy to ask.

This bloke could have waited until they were leaving, or at least between courses, and asked if they would mind posing for him.
 
Yes, and no. Depends on the situation.

If James and Jeremy took a table at the end of the day, maybe back towards the back part of the diner,where they would then be out of the line of sight for anyone walking bye, meaning they were just looking for a bit of peace of quiet...then most people "fanboi" or not should respect that. Just cut them a bit of slack. And the little I've read about this is telling me this didn't happen. Really.

I don't see the problem with what Jeremy did.

Yes, being on TV means that you give up some privacy, but whether I've had a bad day or not, when I'm taking maybe 10 minutes out of my long ass (18 hour+) day to just sit down, try to relax and finally eat something that didn't come out of a vending machine...

And you want to come over, while I'm trying to at least pretend that I have a few minutes to myself for the first time today, and not just ask politely, but shove a camera into my face as though me being a celebrity gives you that right?

Well...I'd boot you so hard and even let you pose pretty for your camera while I kick you in the gonads over and over. I might even be nice enough to host that delicious bit of video on my own YouTube site.



But hey, that's just me. :)

I can agree with you to a certain extent and in principle. It was drilled into me from a young age that when you sit down for a meal, especially with family, that that time is sacred and shouldn't be disturbed. Of course a lot of that goes out the window when you're in a public dining establishment. Lots of places are loud, busy, and annoying. Regardless, I would never do anything to bother someone famous if I saw them in a restaurant. But that's just me and it's certainly not against the law to do otherwise.

But the simple truth is that the amount of privacy you're entitled to when you're smack dab in the middle of a public place is... slim, to say the least. Jeremy can't stroll down to the nearest public beach, strip down and enjoy some skinny dipping, and then get pissed off and start yelling at everyone who'll be staring for "invading his privacy". You're in a public place genius, if you wanted privacy, you should have gone somewhere private. It's not rocket science.

Just to throw an un-TG-related analogy out there; this forum has an entire section dedicated to vehicle sightings. If you're out and about and see a cool car, you can snap a pic and share it with the forum here. So imagine that you're at a local hot spot, going for a walk, checking out the shops, etc, when you hear a wonderful low growling exhaust. You look and spot a Lamborghini Reventon gliding down the street towards you. You happily fish out your camera, kneel down on the sidewalk, and snap a few pictures as it drives by. But the driver sees you, slams on the brakes, jumps out of the car and accosts you. Strips the camera from your hands and yells at you for "invading his privacy". How do you respond? Do you drop to your knees and grovel at his feet, begging for forgiveness for being such an inconsiderate selfish asshole? Hardly. The guy is driving a flashy car on a public road in broad daylight inches from hundreds of people. If he wanted privacy, he should take his overpriced Murcielago back home and stay there. Or buy a normal car that doesn't attract tons of attention. Sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too. Life sucks, deal with it.
 
I've been thinking about this, and it seems to me that most people who have reached the level of fame that the TG 3 have attained usually have hired some form of security. A lot of American super-celebs travel with entourages of people and in those entourages they have security. I'm not suggesting that the TG 3 get an entourage, but it could help to solve some of their problems if they were to hire security when they are going to be out and about in places where they expect that an incident of this nature could occur.

Even Frank Sinatra had a bodyguard.
 
No.
Jezza is a human being, not a "cool car". What happened does not correlate to your analogy at all.
It was an analogy, it wasn't meant to be the exact same sort of thing. The fact remains however, that you are allowed to take photos in public areas and there isn't anything anyone can really say about it. It would be a different story if the restaurant didn't allow photography in the dinning room, but evidently it had no such rule. And this guy didn't even use a flash, so I doubt anyone but Clarkson even noticed what he was doing. It wasn't like it was a full sized DSLR with a telephoto lens, it was tiny cellphone ffs.

It was not a flashy object driving by (which I'm sure the driver loves to show off), it was a person having a private dinner and being rudely accosted by a stranger, who then tried to milk his 15 minutes for all they're worth. The dude was one foot away from him snapping pictures like some fanboi idiot. Shit, I'd get annoyed.

I don't think Jezza brought this on himself and should "deal with it". There are boundaries to decency and respect, and they were definitely crossed.

I doubt it. You know Shane Jacobson was sitting right next to Jeremy and witnessed the whole event. If this guy was really being as bad as you say, than Shane would've defended Clarkson's actions, instead he just said that Jeremy was "having a bad day". Now call me crazy, but that sounds very much like Shane didn't approve of Jeremy's actions and was simply trying to find an excuse to explain it away. Playing damage control. Jeremy wasn't accosted. And he wasn't having a private dinner either. He was in a very public and very crowded looking restaurant. This guy was sitting at HIS table, playing with HIS phone. It doesn't sound like he even got up out of his seat or said a word. And you say he accosted Jeremy? I don't think his actions even fit the definition of the word.

Look, I hate to sound insensitive. Everyone is entitled to some privacy, but when you're out in a public place, you're simply not entitled to very much of it. As with most things, you'll have some benifits and some consequences. And in my opinion, there is nothing worse than someone who basks in the benifits of what they do, accepting all the perks and enjoying all the pluses, but when it comes time to accept the down side of those wonderful things, they act like a petulant spoiled child and lash out. I hate to say it, but cry me a river. What this guy did may or may not have been rude, but his actions pale in comparison to Clarkson's, who felt he had the authority to confiscate someones personal property for no legitimate reason.
 
I don't care about what people are entitled to or not, what rules or laws there are. Fact of the matter is, what that guy did was rude and stupid. A person with manners would not behave like that. Clarkson did overreact, but the anti-douchebag in me approves of what he did.

And regarding the flashy car analogy, that doesn't hold up in any way. Clarkson is not a flashy car. And sitting in a restaurant is a lot more private setting than walking or driving down the street. Clarkson and the people he was with are away from home, correct? What are they supposed to do? Sit in their hotel?

Just because people are famous, does not justify people behaving like morons around them.
 
But If this were you or me just walking down the street and being hounded as they can be...then just wanting to eat some food in piece and quiet...way back in the back where we wont be a bother, honestly, and leaning back in your chair for that well deserved quiet (even for 5 whole minutes)....then some guy you don't know starts shoving a camera into your face for pictures.

"Just one more pic, Jezza! Yeah, I know you said no...but you're a celebrity! So that gives me a lot of rights!! Now...smile for the camera!""

Is a bit of piece and quiet too much to ask for? Hell, during the filming for the Romanian tour, someone took a video of poor James just taking a whizz out in a bush.

And a lot worse things.

Being a celebrity does give up a lot of freedom, but it doesn't take it ALL away, or the chance to just try to be a normal person for a few minutes....

The whole idea that just because you're on the TV you have no rights to any privacy outside your own home is garbage. Everybody has a right to some boundaries between them and the public. They get paid megabucks (although not that mega, in the case of Richard and James at least) because that is the going rate for the job they do. They're famous because they happen to be extremely good at that job and work very hard at it. They are also happy to oblige people with photos and autographs, as has been witnessed many times by members of this forum, provided people have the courtesy to ask.

This bloke could have waited until they were leaving, or at least between courses, and asked if they would mind posing for him.

I don't care about what people are entitled to or not, what rules or laws there are. Fact of the matter is, what that guy did was rude and stupid. A person with manners would not behave like that. Clarkson did overreact, but the anti-douchebag in me approves of what he did.

And regarding the flashy car analogy, that doesn't hold up in any way. Clarkson is not a flashy car. And sitting in a restaurant is a lot more private setting than walking or driving down the street. Clarkson and the people he was with are away from home, correct? What are they supposed to do? Sit in their hotel?

Just because people are famous, does not justify people behaving like morons around them.

All of these posts x10000000000.
 
No. They get paid "big bucks" to do their job. That's all.

.... and what exactly is their job?

As far as I can work out, a celebrity is someone who is easily recognised. The better the celebrity (ie: the better they do their job), the more easily recognisable they are. It is only natural for people to look at and approach celebrities in public, they wouldn't be worth their salary (which is all based on sponsorship marketing and advertising) if this didn't happen.

Do you really think Robert De Nero's work in "Little Fockers" was $20million worth of acting? Do you really think that that 6 month effort was worth the lifetime salaries of 15 nurses? I certainly don't! The reason he was paid that much is because he is a celebrity. His name on the advertising of the movie would (almost certainly) ensure it's financial success. Gumpert Smiggins could've played that role as well as De Nero, but they wouldn't have paid him even 1/100th of De Nero's fee for it. They don't get paid because of the job they do, they get paid because of who they are (their fame, their reputation, their saleability).
 
Thank goodness for some level headed sanity from TomCat and Mr. Nice.
Clarkson is in Melbourne for a very well publicised show; he then goes to Crown Casino for a meal. Crown Casino is a public thoroughfare. Only an idiot would go there expecting privacy and anonymity; it is the very epicenter of Melbourne tourism. Clarkson and the other Top Gear boys are public property, they have made themselves so and have profited from it. They have to expect to be recognized and approached when in public and to expect to be treated as private citizens in these circumstances is naive of them.
There seems to be a worrying decline in their public behaviour recently with this incident and James May's tantrum at the airport in Texas.

Actually, the particular restaurant they were in is a completely closed off restaurant, as you walk past it you cannot see in there or rather who is in there. It is at the higher end of the food chain so they were probably hoping between the design of the restaurant and the prices, the 'typical' clientele would leave them alone/not care they were there and the general public walking past wouldn't notice them.
 
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I can agree with you to a certain extent and in principle. It was drilled into me from a young age that when you sit down for a meal, especially with family, that that time is sacred and shouldn't be disturbed. Of course a lot of that goes out the window when you're in a public dining establishment. Lots of places are loud, busy, and annoying. Regardless, I would never do anything to bother someone famous if I saw them in a restaurant. But that's just me and it's certainly not against the law to do otherwise.

I'm not sure but it may be 'bordering' against being against the law. Depends where you are.

But the simple truth is that the amount of privacy you're entitled to when you're smack dab in the middle of a public place is... slim, to say the least. Jeremy can't stroll down to the nearest public beach, strip down and enjoy some skinny dipping, and then get pissed off and start yelling at everyone who'll be staring for "invading his privacy". You're in a public place genius, if you wanted privacy, you should have gone somewhere private. It's not rocket science.

Again, I agree for most of it. For me, if I took my friends or family to a restaurant where my table wasn't ready, and were all sort of milling around the front part, drinking beer or wine, then yes, that is sort of a quasi-public place. If one of the people standing there close to us, also waiting on a table asked politely if they could take our pics, I'd gladly say yes. No matter how tired or crappy I felt.

You DO owe your fans...well...almost everything really. No fans means um...no fan base. :)

Just to throw an un-TG-related analogy out there; this forum has an entire section dedicated to vehicle sightings. If you're out and about and see a cool car, you can snap a pic and share it with the forum here. So imagine that you're at a local hot spot, going for a walk, checking out the shops, etc, when you hear a wonderful low growling exhaust. You look and spot a Lamborghini Reventon gliding down the street towards you. You happily fish out your camera, kneel down on the sidewalk, and snap a few pictures as it drives by. But the driver sees you, slams on the brakes, jumps out of the car and accosts you. Strips the camera from your hands and yells at you for "invading his privacy". How do you respond? Do you drop to your knees and grovel at his feet, begging for forgiveness for being such an inconsiderate selfish asshole? Hardly. The guy is driving a flashy car on a public road in broad daylight inches from hundreds of people. If he wanted privacy, he should take his overpriced Murcielago back home and stay there. Or buy a normal car that doesn't attract tons of attention. Sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too. Life sucks, deal with it.

And again, I mostly agree with that scenario.. If you see a beautiful car coming down the street that you just need a pic of, then just do it in a way that it doesn't focus on the driver, the plates on the car, or anything but the car. Most drivers if approached in a polite way, will be more than willing to show off their babies. :) Yes, some are just twats, but...there's nothing to be done with them. Just move on.

Now if you've been obviously stalking that car or driver for a bit, and the driver knows it....Hell, for me, I might just drive over by you fairly fast, and 'ahem', fairly close as well.

Just to say "Howdy!" :p

It all breaks down to plain old fashioned common sense folks.

Put yourself in their shoes for a week. Where just opening the front door for the mail can be a photo opportunity. Wether you want it or not.


It doesn't matter if your in a 5 star restaurant, or in line at Micky-Dee's. Once you've been sat down and want to just eat, for me...all pics, signatures and etc can and will have to wait till I'm done.


Or, if you really know how to take pics while being truly unobtrusive, then click away.


But just give them some respect. :)
 
There seems to be a worrying decline in their public behaviour recently with this incident and James May's tantrum at the airport in Texas.

Is that the one where BA messed up his seat booking? If so the article you were referencing was complete bollocks, as explained in the comments section by the very person who had his seat "replaced".

I'm not sure I condone Clarksons actions, but for some of the people who are defending the photographer, if I read that right he got within only 1 foot away to snap a photo? Whether it is a public space or not that really smacks of personal space invasion.
 
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^ The comment by "the very person ... " could've been posted by anyone, even James' mother perhaps ?? It has no more veracity than the story it is related to.
 
I've never bought into the "celebrities owe their fans everything and give up all rights to any privacy" bit. I applauded when Michael J Fox managed to trick the papparazzi so that he could have a peaceful wedding. As much as I didn't care for Madonna & Sean Penn, I felt bad that their wedding turned into such a media circus. Personally, no matter how much of a fan I am of a celebrity, I really don't need to know when they've gone to the bathroom, or what brand of toilet tissue they've used. :lol:

Since I was no where near this recent event with Clarkson, I cannot say for certain who is at fault. Perhaps both sides acted/reacted badly. But, celebrity or not, it really is impolite to interrupt a person's dinner to take their picture without their permission.
 
.... and what exactly is their job?

To present and promote a television programme. During the hours they are working they can be filmed, be forced to meet the great unwashed, and so on. After they finish work they can turn their work mobile phone off, and your boss can rant and rave until he's blue in the face, but you don't have to answer it or do anything else work related.

Did you you see. What. I. Did. There?
 
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