justin syder
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The last gear in a manual transmission that is obviously better than the 5th Gear
why not? explain!justin syder said:So why not let one man, one woman and another woman marry?
Explain.
because a 15 year old might be too young to properly decide for himself what to do.justin syder said:Clearly if a gay 15yr old and a gay 28yr old want to have sex why should it be illegal? Civil rights are being violated.
where did you get that from? explain!justin syder said:Because you have to break tradition and last time I checked marriage was not created for gay or lesbians. It was to combat prostitution and polygamy and homosexuality.
yes you can, but so what? you can possibly change any law!justin syder said:If you can redefine marriage then age-of-consent laws can be changed as well. It would be viewed as progressive. You are just a bit conservative to this view now but time will change your view.
they will have to wait, just like any other teenager as well!Im not talking about rape, Im talking about a gay teenager that wants to have sex with a male regardless of age. You talk about gay rights then what about rights for gay teenagers?
the poeple who want to abolish age of consent laws completely are a tiny little minority and the rest of the liberal population will not see that as progressive.Marriage is defined in law as the union of one man and one woman or as two people but if you allow polygamy and 3some marriage then you change that law. Why can't it be done for NAMBLA? They are a minority and have the same basic rights as anyone else.
what truth is redefined??? and where the hell do you see those "militant homosexuals"??? and what is reality???justin syder said:It's not about rights. It's about redefining truth and censoring all criticism so that militant homosexuals can be comfortable in their "lifestyle" without having to be disturbed by reality.
why does gay marriage change society for everyone? explain!justin syder said:Look, my beef is that being gay translates into changine society for everyone based on what is done in the bedroom.
then allow marriage only for people with children! that would be fair, wouldn't it?I have no hate or disgust for gays but I STONGLY disagree with their activism in labeling gay or equating it with being black. I dont care if two gays want to have sex but don't try to change a concept and mislead ppl into thinking they are opressed. They can do just about anything I can except marriage. Why? Well because marraige is the basis for a family. It is being eroded over the years and is no wonder why divorce is so high, ppl dont care about it and that is why it is failing.
people have given you lots of answers and with this response i have given you a lot of answers as well. now its your turn to give us a proper response once!Lets stay on topic, don't go off into what you want to discuss because you don't want to answer my questions. I have given some good questions to discuss, lets answer them please?
justin syder said:I dont care if two gays want to have sex but don't try to change a concept and mislead ppl into thinking they are opressed.
not for the kids...///M said:justin syder said:I dont care if two gays want to have sex but don't try to change a concept and mislead ppl into thinking they are opressed.
Wow. So you think gay people have it easy?
Man, I believe in karma, and I hope your cards are right. Funniest thing in the world is when homophobes have gay children.
its not a choice...Z Draci said:I think gay couples are demanding too much when they ask for the same legal rights as a married couple. It was their choice to be gay. So it was their choice to not be eligible for the rights of a married couple. If they want these right so badly, they can choose to be straight! Simple as that! If they want to be "happy" they can do so without getting married. I think they're just in it for the money. They should learn to live with the existing laws instead of wasting their energy making an annoyance of themselves.
I agree with Justin. Being black and being gay are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You can choose to be gay, but you can't choose to be black. Therefore, it is wrong to discriminate a person because he is black. However, the law can (and always has) discriminated people based on the decisions they made on their own free will.
If gay couples want to earn respect from society, then they would have to respect the society in which they live first!
Z Draci said:*snip*
It was their choice to be gay. So it was their choice to not be eligible for the rights of a married couple.
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You can choose to be gay, but you can't choose to be black. Therefore, it is wrong to discriminate a person because he is black. However, the law can (and always has) discriminated people based on the decisions they made on their own free will.
there, fixed.justin syder said:It's not about rights. It's about redefining truth and censoring all criticism so that militant conservatives can be comfortable without having to be disturbed by reality.
Marriage is not a religious sacrament anymore. The ceremony is held in churches, but state laws often define the contract that bind a couple in marriage. I think this is why people get the idea that gay marriage should be allowed. The religious part doesn't have to be changed. It's only a matter of changing the law. It's just a complicated battle between church and state again . . .
this is just a result of uptight people who can't deal with people who are different in such a way, they feel threatened by it so they want to make sure they are not seen as equals.
How do you figure that being gay is a choice? You obviously don't know or talk to many gay people, then. Do you somehow figure they woke up one morning and though, "Gee, I think I'll have sex with other men, 'cuz that would really annoy the straight people! Yeah!"
and gays do respect society, i have not seen them throwing over government or setting cars on fire in order to get the right to marry. all they want is equal rights. how do you show disrespect for society by demanding equal rights?
I don't think I directed any of that towards you specifically, so perhaps you my comments just hit a little too close to home even though I never directed them towards you. Just a theory.justin syder said:I am done with you. You have assumed things about me, insulted me to validate your argument and assume everything the church believes is what I believe when I clearly stated that I am for condom use and that I don't agree with 100% the Church states. Of course though, you want to label me a fanatic to favor your argument and after repeated attempts to get you to leave the low remarks or insults out of your posts you continue to do so. Thanks for debating with respect. Your opinion is much greater than mine, I'm just some bible pusher to you. Anymore comments to you would be wasting my time.
justin syder said:Can you prove with biology or science that they are "born that way"?
Z Draci said:How can anybody say sexual orientation is not a choice???
It is a choice just like religion, political affiliation, national citizenship, etc.
In the free world, we have the freedom to choose if we want to be straight or gay. Traditionally, people choose to be straight. However, people are just as free to be gay as well. It's a choice made by the individual on his own free will.
Consider this idea. If an individual is simply born gay, is it wrong for a straight man to declare his homosexuality later in life? Are you saying that some people have God given rights to be gay while others have none? I don't think there's such elitist homosexuality groups in existence. It's plainly a choice made by the individual.
Gays need to respect the laws in society that only allows one man and one women to marry. Like I already said, marriage doesn't automatically give you happiness. If happiness is all that gay couples want, they can achieve that without marriage. I think the only reason they want marriage rights is because they want the economical advantages (tax benefits, etc). That in itself is selfish and greedy. This is why I said they should respect society and don't ask for more than they need.
No we dont. If we all knew it was total BS than no one would have admitted that it was a possiblity.zenkidori said:There still has yet to be given a justification for being anti-gay rights. The only thing I have seen is that it's a "gateway" to pedophilia and beastiality and we all know that is total BS.