jib jib
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i thought that was a little much, miles/hour > hour/min, that makes more sense. glad i messed up the easy part. . .
Scud said:A bloke was drinking a beer behind him.
At first the glass was almost empty and he was drinking the last bit up.
Then the next time it was full.
Saleen claims that they can do it in "normal" street tires, though i doubt it. I think it would just end up in a cloud of smoke. And even though the saleen is supposed to be a track car, its handling isnt anything special.Z0RR0 said:BerserkerCatSplat said:bartboy9891 said:^ the saleen isnt really all that great. it looks kinda generic IMO. in Twin Turbo form it is pretty quick, but at redline it "only" hits 225mph. its surprisingly light, but wide as hell and handling isnt phenomenal or anything. and for the price, you could by a Koenigsegg or a Zonda...
I disagree, I think it's a phenomenal car. Let me put it this way:
The saleen has half the cylinders and half the turbochargers of the Veyron, yet it develops three quarters of the horsepower at a mere 5.5 psi. The S7 does 0-60 only 0.3 seconds slower than the Veyron, and it's 2WD! The S7 also develops all this power and speed, yet is OBD-II compliant and has four catalytic converters for low emissions. Set up the gearbox a bit different, turn up the boost a bit, and I think it could surpass the Veyron's top speed.
And yet, on top of all that power, and technology, and incredible speed, Saleen still makes money on the S7. Bugatti loses ~4 million per unit (not including development costs), while Saleen actually makes a profit.
Compare it to a Zonda, which produces less power, is lighter, but whose 0-60 time is almost a full second slower than the S7, at 3.6 seconds. The Zonda F is only 0.1 second faster than that. It's just slower.
But I'm not going to disuss what supercar is better than what. My point is that the Veyron is not the end-all of hypercars. There are a brace of manufacturers out there that are poised and ready to produce Veyron-like performance numbers, and without breaking the bank to do so. VW did it first becuase they had the money to throw around, but the competition is not far behind. We haven't reached the crest of the performance hill, we're merely on the upslope.
You must have missed my reply. The S7 is not in the same category as the Veyron, Enzo, SLR or Zonda. It is a street legal track car. Plain and simple. It's rough, not necesserily reliable (the S7 barely made it out of LA in the Player's Run or Bullrun, can't remember which), the steering is too direct and undampered, the clutch is heavy, harsh and a super short friction point, access on board is ungainly. Obviously, when you're on the track, it goes like very few others can ... the issue is, supercars have evolved. It's not 1985 anymore, supercar customers want to drive 200mph, go across the country and still be handle to go through stop-and-go traffic. The S7 can't do all that, it just lacks the practicality that made the McLaren #1 in its time, followed by the Murcielago, then Enzo, SLR ... etc etc.
The S7 is an old school supercar, and in that aspect it just isn't as exceptional as the others. Getting 700hp out of TT 7L V8 is "easy", building a 700hp car to behave like a lamb is a whole other story. Figures only tell a bit of the story.
BTW, if you actually believe it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds on street tires ... well ... I dunno :lol:
raphaelmaciel said:
Desculpa ae, mas me fala quanto vc acha que vai ser o tempo do Veyron na pista??
bartboy9891 said:Saleen claims that they can do it in "normal" street tires, though i doubt it. I think it would just end up in a cloud of smoke. And even though the saleen is supposed to be a track car, its handling isnt anything special.
BerserkerCatSplat said:bartboy9891 said:Saleen claims that they can do it in "normal" street tires, though i doubt it. I think it would just end up in a cloud of smoke. And even though the saleen is supposed to be a track car, its handling isnt anything special.
Handling not anything special? It pulls more g's on the skidpad than a Ferrari Enzo. I'd say that's pretty special, when you consider the Enzo is as much a track day car as the S7.
As well, the S7 is quite a liveable car. I had the opportunity to speak with the owner of a brand new S7TT the other day, and he said it was a pleasure to drive. The interior is also quite nice, though not as much a piece of art as the Zonda's.
jib jib said:i did a little math: the veyron has a 100 liter tank, which runs out after 12 minutes when you are going 250 mph. in that 12 minutes you travel 3000 miles, burn 2.2 gallons per minute, and get about 1.89 mpg.
Haha yeh he's said that like every challange I think!///M said:Why didn't May say his "Permision to say cock..." line?
Alright episode, disappointing for a race though.
bartboy9891 said:the S7 isnt a bad car, its just that in that price range, there is WAY better choices.
SL65AMG~V12~604BHP!!!!!!! said:Haha yeh he's said that like every challange I think!///M said:Why didn't May say his "Permision to say cock..." line?
Alright episode, disappointing for a race though.
No Boss said:I'm afraid to say though, it would fall quite far down on the cool wall, what with "Fiddy cent" having it in his videos and all.
No Boss said:bartboy9891 said:the S7 isnt a bad car, its just that in that price range, there is WAY better choices.
Yeah, I agree, it's definitly not a bad car at all. Screw the Sagaris, the S7 looks like it was styled by and axe murderer, what with its 80+ gills.
I'm afraid to say though, it would fall quite far down on the cool wall, what with "Fiddy cent" having it in his videos and all.
BerserkerCatSplat said:No Boss said:I'm afraid to say though, it would fall quite far down on the cool wall, what with "Fiddy cent" having it in his videos and all.
Fiddy has an S7 in his videos? Poor car.
a car so good even Jeremy couldn't find fault with it. It's so good, the Stig cried after driving it.
There is no Top Gear next week, because some men are playing with each others balls or something. It's a sport thing apparently.
Well, 4200 pounds would translate to exactly 1905 kg.Dins said:oliB said:The Veyron weighs 1950kg. That's not exactly ?ber light, still 150kg lighter than what you said though.Dins said:[
the zonda weighs 1228kg, while the veyron weighs about 2100kg.
it said 4200pounds somewhere.