Covid 19 CRISIS

Stalin would make all the sick people disappear. That's what all commies do, just look at China and NK.

Exactly. While the idea behind Trump's action is what...?

That's how an hyperbolic exageration works.

The bar is so low, the lack of strategy so evident, that even that would be a more functional exit strategy than Trump's.
 
Without wanting to ruin a perfectly good joke, UBI is the polar opposite of socialism and communism.
Actually it’s very in line with classical communist tag line “from each according to ability, to each according to need”

In this particular case, and this isn’t my original idea, the point would be to have a focus on individuals with temporary UBI so that businesses can cut work force as needed but consumers still have guaranteed money to spend once the whole thing blows over.

Right now the focus is more on businesses but the issue is that both people and businesses are in savings mode so hiring is not likely to pick up and as a result spending will be done as people are worried about their UI running out.
 
Then why didn’t I disappear when I got sick while living in China? :hmm:
Not sure if serious... Obviously China has healthcare, that's not the point. The point is that under communist regimes, any perception of weak leadership cannot be tolerated, so the govts tend to uhh... "take care of the problem". It's why Stalin had gulags, Kim Jong Un has no coronavirus cases at all, and Wuhan is stockpiling urns while claiming that they've fully contained the virus.


Exactly. While the idea behind Trump's action is what...?

That's how an hyperbolic exageration works.

The bar is so low, the lack of strategy so evident, that even that would be a more functional exit strategy than Trump's.
Murdering people would be better than what Trump is doing? This is about as disturbing of a statement as when you defended having sex with 14 year olds. WTF?
 
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Not sure if serious... Obviously China has healthcare, that's not the point. The point is that under communist regimes, any perception of weak leadership cannot be tolerated, so the govts tend to uhh... "take care of the problem". It's why Stalin had gulags, Kim Jong Un has no coronavirus cases at all, and Wuhan is stockpiling urns while claiming that they've fully contained the virus.

...and America stops federal funding of tests when it's most critical?
 
...and America stops federal funding of tests when it's most critical?

According to the link this is due to the states taking over the task themselves. America is a union of states, not a single state run by DC. Each state in the US is functionally more independent than Scotland is to London.

In this case the federal government stepped in at first to help the states, now it's handing off the task to them.
 
Not sure if serious...

Of course it's not serious, as the tone of the comments should have told you, come on!
I probably used hyperbolic in a sense that doesn't exist in english, but in the same way it may be used in italian, to indicate an exaggeration so big that breaks the borders of seriousness and indicates a harsh joke. But it should have been clear, given that both comments on the thing had clear giveaways.

Starting the comment with the moustache thing should have been clue enough that the next part might have been used satirically.

Or the "even that" in "The bar is so low, the lack of strategy so evident, that even that would be a more functional exit strategy than Trump's. "

Murdering people would be better than what Trump is doing?

Do I really need to answer a question about my level of belief in a satirical attack?

This is about as disturbing of a statement as when you defended having sex with 14 year olds. WTF?

LeV, either you are a bit thick, or you are trying to defame me stupidly.

What you took is a Strawman Argument: you changed what I said to make it appear as if it was different than reality:

the discussion you are referring to contained a long, complex and nuanced analysis of the Kevin Spacey case and how things are dealt in many different ways, for many different aspects of life in many different countries, according to many different perceptions of things (some healthy, some not so much) and on how people grow up and are at different levels of development in different moments and at different ages; do not forget that 16-17yo "children" could or can legally drive, carry guns or marry, in the US, so the blanket definition of "child" is clearly the hypersimplification of a very complex argument.

You see? It takes several lines just to express what the topic was about.

If that Strawman is the only thing you understood about that many-posts analysis and argumented dialogue I made (I was discussing, and the thing went on for days), then I am afraid you are a bit thick, or you are trying to attack me stupidly.

Please, decide what it is, before the communist police I sent your way takes you into a Gulag! (hint: that's a joke).

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Italy's numbers are stable, my Region's are getting mixed results. The Head of the Protezione Civile said it is positive news anyway because ICU occupancy is lowering, people are healing in greater numbers and cases showing up are less and less severe as the days pass.

Good news, but not fantastic.
 
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According to the link this is due to the states taking over the task themselves. America is a union of states, not a single state run by DC. Each state in the US is functionally more independent than Scotland is to London.

In this case the federal government stepped in at first to help the states, now it's handing off the task to them.
Its not enough, the states are being hung out to dry by Trump. Testing is needed on such a large scale in such a short time that it needs to be done by the implementign the DPA. Some estimates are that the US would need around 700,000 tests a day.


 
China clamping down on coronavirus research, deleted pages suggest

Move is likely to be part of attempt to control the narrative surrounding the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...on-coronavirus-research-deleted-pages-suggest


WHO looks into report of Covid patients testing positive after negative tests

Reports from South Korea say some patients had tested positive while being considered for discharge
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...atients-testing-positive-after-negative-tests


Taiwan CDC to WHO virus letter Dec 31st, flags "cases have been isolated for treatment”
Virus Outbreak: Chen reveals Taiwan’s e-mail to WHO

WARNING: Taiwan’s e-mail mentioned ‘isolated’ patients, and any public health expert would know what circumstances require such a response, the minister of health said

Minister of Health and Welfare Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) yesterday urged the WHO to be honest as the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) published the e-mail it had sent to the world body in December last year alerting it about the risk of an outbreak in China.

The WHO on Friday said it received an e-mail from the Ministry of Health and Welfare on Dec. 31 last year, but added that “there was no mention in the message of human-to-human transmission.”

During a news conference at the CECC in Taipei yesterday, Chen read out the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) e-mail to the WHO International Health Regulations (IHR) Focal Point on Dec. 31 last year.

“News resources today indicate that at least seven atypical pneumonia cases were reported in Wuhan, China,” the e-mail read. “Their health authorities replied to the media that the cases were believed not SARS; however, the samples are still under examination, and cases have been isolated for treatment.”

“I would greatly appreciate it if you have relevant information to share with us. Thank you very much in advance for your attention to this matter,” it added.

China commonly uses the term “atypical pneumonia” to refer to SARS, but Chinese authorities had been ambiguous in describing the novel coronavirus as “an atypical pneumonia, but not SARS.”

“The e-mail specifically noted that patients had been isolated for treatment,” Chen said. “Any public health expert or medical professional would know what circumstances would require patients to be isolated for treatment.”
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/04/12/2003734453


Taiwanese fundraise for ads to refute WHO chief's accusations

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus' claim that Taiwanese are racist is 'world-class fake news,' say campaigners
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3913992


Virus Outbreak: Chinese issue fake apology for Taiwan
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/04/11/2003734395
 
Coronavirus vaccine could be ready by September, says Oxford professor working on trials

'I think there’s a high chance that it will work based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine'

Professor Gilbert told The Times she was “80 per cent confident” the vaccine being developed by her team would be successful in protecting people against the disease.

She was quoted as saying: “I think there’s a high chance that it will work based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine. It’s not just a hunch and as every week goes by we have more data to look at.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-professor-sarah-gilbert-trials-a9460481.html
 
Not to put a dampener on the whole thing but there is a pretty good chance it will never really happen. At least not in a particularly helpful way, there are something like 40 identified strains already, it’s not very likely that we can make a vaccine against all of them.

As far as I gather its mutations that could be problem, but that isn't the case.

A glimmer of hope.

A bit more here-
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-03-27...ne-programme-opens-clinical-trial-recruitment
 
As far as I gather its mutations that could be problem, but that isn't the case
I’m having trouble understanding what you mean, it has already mutated, there is a chart of all the strains we know of so far upthread somewhere. Typically a vaccine can only fight one particular strain.

EDIT: Reading your link, looks like they are targeting specific proteins so maybe it could work for all strains since they would all have same basic “corona” proteins.
 
 
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