Australian V8 Supercars

What a massively unfortunate way for the championship to end - no matter which side of the fence you're on. I hope 888 don't protest the result - the matter has been dealt with already (and to those Holden fans who might scream about any protest - do you honestly think Tom Walkinshaw wouldn't be doing the exact same thing in that position?). No, a protest is only going to hurt the sport.

As for the collision itself - while I think it looks to be mainly Rick's fault, I'm not about to get too stuck in. I'm sure Rick didn't want to have something like that tarnish his championship, and I'm sure it was accidental, but that's what can happen when everyone's squeezing each other at 10/10ths. It's just a real pity is all.

I agree with you, well said. It looked like Rick was disappointed in the way race 3 turned out, when he first got out of the car. But that's the way motorsport goes.

The montage at the end of the coverage of the past 10 years of V8s with Channel 10 was quite good I thought. Hopefully Channel 7 will build on the top coverage by 10, but without the silly coverage times. ;)

My highllight for 2006 would probably have to be Lowndes winning Bathurst. Perfect person to win the Inaugural Peter Brock trophy.

2007 will be an interesting season, I'm going to predict that Mark Winterbottom will be V8 champion this time next year. :p

Will be interesting to see how the VE Commodores go up against the "updated" Falcons.
 
Im not a big fan of V8's but I think Rick will lose his championship to Lowndes. Its typical Walkinshaw tactics. Happened when he ran Benetton with Schumi hitting Hill in 94, then Arrows always running into the back of Minardi when they were ahead and now Rick into Lowndes.

BTW: Rusty and Dazza are staying at Ten and are going to host F1. Auto Action said that Ten will be showing all races LIVE, so 10pm starts and Qualifying at 11pm on Saturday night as well as a revamped RPM including more on Formula One. About time :D
 
Im not a big fan of V8's but I think Rick will lose his championship to Lowndes. Its typical Walkinshaw tactics. Happened when he ran Benetton with Schumi hitting Hill in 94, then Arrows always running into the back of Minardi when they were ahead and now Rick into Lowndes.

It wasn't a tactic, Walkinshaw or otherwise, it was a driving error. Despite the fact I'm pro-Lowndes and definitely not a Rick fan, I don't want to see the championship result changed - what's happened has happened, it's a real shame it did, but it needs to be left. I really don't think Lowndes would want to be awarded the championship in that manner anyway.

BTW: Rusty and Dazza are staying at Ten and are going to host F1. Auto Action said that Ten will be showing all races LIVE, so 10pm starts and Qualifying at 11pm on Saturday night as well as a revamped RPM including more on Formula One. About time :D

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(If it happens - we'll see once Big Brother and Aus. Idol roll around again...)
 
You have to admit though that it does happen a lot when Walkinshaw is involved....
 
It wasn't a tactic, Walkinshaw or otherwise, it was a driving error. Despite the fact I'm pro-Lowndes and definitely not a Rick fan, I don't want to see the championship result changed - what's happened has happened, it's a real shame it did, but it needs to be left. I really don't think Lowndes would want to be awarded the championship in that manner anyway.

You are forgetting the Championship is worth big bucks these days, and things like having the #1 on the side of your car can mean the difference between millions of sponsorship $ to a team. To say "just leave it" opens the doors for teams in the future to do it again.

HRT/Toll were blocking him all weekend - Skaife in the first race and Tander in the second (Once Tander was shown the first bad sportsmanship flag he instantly increased his lap times by 1 sec!! no he wasn't blocking). Tom told Rick "We don't need this car next year, so win it or bin it".

They should come down on them with the full force of the law, set a precedent so teams don't try it again. Dirty race teams should be banned!!!
 
I have more to add to this....This is from foxsports.com.au

START: Kelly denied he had crashed into the back of the Falcon, saying it had moved in front of him. But Lowndes disagreed."It was a simple nose to tail hit - we've got his paint on the back bumper,'' he said."We had the pace on them, we were confident and our car was good. They couldn't race us."The only way they could beat us was if we had an issue - and we had an issue.''

Ford feels it did not lose the V8 Supercars Championship, rather that it was "taken away'' from them.Ford racing manager Ray Price was critical after stewards elected to take no further action over an on-track incident."It's a disappointing way to finish what has been one of the best years on the track for Ford,'' Price said."We can't be disappointed that we lost the championship but we can feel disappointed that it was taken away.

"In terms of fair play over the three races this weekend I'm not convinced that we saw that.

"The fact that we had bad sportsmanship flags for (Holden's) Garth Tander and Mark Skaife for blocking, as well as a black flag for Tander for the same offence is a clear indication of this.'' END

Thats the key there, Skaife and Tander both got black flags and all are under the same team banner and Tander and Kelly got drive-thrus. Holden at their dirtiest.
 
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Some very valid points raised there. I don't dispute for one second Tander's actions were dirty (see my first post on this) and intentional - Colin Bond said that one reason they gave him the drive-through was because of the championship effects of this team-play - and for once I entirely agreed with Bondy. I actually think Tander got off lightly considering how below-par his actions were.

I don't think that Skaife was playing a team game though - I believe he was just genuinely trying to defend his position, nothing more than that. Yes he was blocking, but for positional reasons only. However as you say this is Walkinshaw we're talking about...

I still don't think that Rick's contact with Craig was in any way more than just a normal racing incident. Yes, I too found Tom's 'win it or bin it' words to Rick extremely dodgy, but I don't think it played any part in the events.

The major problem with this is that no matter what the outcome, the championship is tarnished - there's no winners (apart from team getting extra $$$ from #1). Rick wouldn't want this hanging over his win, and I'm sure Craig wouldn't want to win a championship like this.

If it was a situation where Rick had taken Craig out on the last corner, that would be different, but there was so much of the race left that imposing any penalty on Rick would require guessing what the outcome may have been if not for the accident - now that's all good and well when you're talking about a race win, but it's a pretty damn major deal when it's the championship you're deciding.

It's sad that what was shaping up to be a real headline day for the sport has turned into this. What this weekend has done though, is created some enormous tensions and rivalries, between teams, brands, and stewards. I can't recall a V8 event generating anything like it - the ramifications are going to continue for years.
 
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Yes it was very unfortunate and anti-climactic at the end. It is amazing how Lowndes could still carry on with that car understeering so much in every corner.

For some reason I could never find myself liking Rick Kelly (I just don't like people with bad teeth :p). I feel the championship should not be set up to reward consistency like that in racing, so hopefully this will be rectified in 07.
 
Agreed - I hate the fact that the championship has been won by someone whose aim for the season was to finish 5th in every race (after studying the previous cruise-and-collect efforts of Ingall). I know it's because of the points system, but you don't see guys like Skaife, Lowndes, Ambrose - you know, genuine champions (Ambrose's personality traits aside...) - using those tactics. That, and the fact Rick was outpaced by his teammate all year long - no Rick, you're far from a champion.

Racers and champions should go out to win, and if you do that the championship should take care of itself. I can't see the back of the current points system fast enough.

Edit: I just read some of the threads on the rpmlive forum - wow there's some *cough* mature *cough* debate going on there...
 
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I don't think that Skaife was playing a team game though - I believe he was just genuinely trying to defend his position, nothing more than that. Yes he was blocking, but for positional reasons only. However as you say this is Walkinshaw we're talking about....
But his lap times dropped once the bad sportsmanship flag was shown, I know this seems a petty point, but if he's allowed to do it for 5-10 laps, the cars in front have disappeared and there's no chance of Lowndes gaining positions.

The major problem with this is that no matter what the outcome, the championship is tarnished - there's no winners (apart from team getting extra $$$ from #1). Rick wouldn't want this hanging over his win, and I'm sure Craig wouldn't want to win a championship like this.
But Tom would take a Championship any way he can.

If it was a situation where Rick had taken Craig out on the last corner, that would be different, but there was so much of the race left that imposing any penalty on Rick would require guessing what the outcome may have been if not for the accident - now that's all good and well when you're talking about a race win, but it's a pretty damn major deal when it's the championship you're deciding.
I totally agree with you but I think they have to look over the whole weekends races (stewards not you), Craig was boxed in for the first two races by either a HSV or a Toll car, this didn't let him get away or gain positions on Todd (really showed when Craig got a massive gap on Rick after the second race pitstop, only to be slowed up by Tander within a lap!! Even Crompton said on air "Rick won't close that gap before the finish"). This kind of stuff does decide championships as Craig showed he had a faster car than Rick. Would've he made up the 37 point difference after the accident at the end of the day? probably not, but there is a 100% chance he would've been in front of Todd and not Rick leading into the now famous corner, no accident and a fair race.

It's sad that what was shaping up to be a real headline day for the sport has turned into this. What this weekend has done though, is created some enormous tensions and rivalries, between teams, brands, and stewards. I can't recall a V8 event generating anything like it - the ramifications are going to continue for years.
Totally agree, it had the potential to grab the main sports headlines on all channels tonight, but turned into a fast!! and this is supposed to be the 3rd biggest sport in the country!

P.S. Not on the same scale, but Ingall and Skaife at Eastern Creek in 2004.^^
 
But his lap times dropped once the bad sportsmanship flag was shown, I know this seems a petty point, but if he's allowed to do it for 5-10 laps, the cars in front have disappeared and there's no chance of Lowndes gaining positions.

I wasn't aware his lap times fluctuated that much - but I still don't believe he was playing a team game.

But Tom would take a Championship any way he can.

Sadly, very true - and he wouldn't give a damn for how his drivers feel.

I totally agree with you but I think they have to look over the whole weekends races (stewards not you), Craig was boxed in for the first two races by either a HSV or a Toll car, this didn't let him get away or gain positions on Todd (really showed when Craig got a massive gap on Rick after the second race pitstop, only to be slowed up by Tander within a lap!! Even Crompton said on air "Rick won't close that gap before the finish").

I'd love to know how Craig felt starting race 2 - surrounded by Toll / HRT cars...

This kind of stuff does decide championships as Craig showed he had a faster car than Rick. Would've he made up the 37 point difference after the accident at the end of the day? probably not, but there is a 100% chance he would've been in front of Todd and not Rick leading into the now famous corner, no accident and a fair race.

I don't doubt that Craig had a faster car, but let's not forget in race 2 Rick got past him because of his driving error, and Craig only got ahead of Rick when the Toll crew had a problem with a wheel nut on the pitstop.

This is the problem - it's all 'ifs', 'buts', and 'maybes'. There's a lot of people unhappy with the ultimate result, but trying to guess a potential outcome is, I think, a much worse outcome.
 
Triple-Eight protest has been dismissed

Source.

No big suprise though - and probably the best decision for the sport.
 
True, I doubt Lowndes would have wanted to win by default. It would have been a very hollow victory.

My my, won't this start a war in the Holden v Ford camps though. Should be good for next year
 
Rick Kelly might be champion, but he doesnt deserve it. I think the V8 bosses need to look at how fair it is to have HSV and HRT so closely involved when they wont allow FPR and Britek to do the same.

Thank god for the points change next year. Also, thank god for Formula 1!!
 
Supercars teams hit with salary cap
By Robert Grant
09dec06

V8 Supercar teams will be liable for sanctions of up to $1 million for breaches of a salary cap to be introduced next year.

Two-car teams will have a total of $6.75million to spend under the Total Racing Expenditure Cap introduced to make the series more competitive.

The difference between corporate-backed teams and the independent outfits will narrow further when the cap is reduced in 2008.

The operating fund will cover everything from driver salaries to the cost of running a racing operation, but it will not apply to spending on promotion and marketing.

Fines for exceeding the limit can range from $1million to starting from the back of the grid for an entire season or starting an endurance race two laps down on the field.

The cap was designed by the Touring Car Entrants Group (TEGA) commission that includes former AFL boss Ross Oakley and former Federal Opposition leader John Hewson.

The group was formed after approaches from several Supercar teams worried about the continuing viability in an environment of spiralling costs.

TEGA chairman Kelvin O'Reilly said the commission would appoint an investigations officer to oversea the cap, and teams would have to maintain an accurate record of their spending.

"We don't believe that we'll ever have to apply the most severe of sanctions because the teams have all expressed a desire and a need for the championship to embrace the cost elements," O'Reilly said.

Teams would still be free to pay drivers whatever salary they wanted, but they might have to cut back in other areas such as technology or parts, O'Reilly said.

Oakley said the $6.75million figure was decided after talks with all the teams about their current budgets.

An examination of the team's costs found the gap between the spending power of the smallest and largest teams was too great, he said.

The biggest teams were understoof to have spent up to $12 million a year, including promotion and marketing - four times that of the budget of smaller teams, Oakley said.

"That spread is just too much to be sustainable," he said.

"What it tended to do was the teams on the lowest budget would strive to match it with the best teams...and they would eventually go out of business - or they would continue to operate at their capacity and continue to be at the back of the grid."

Bigger teams would be given about two years to downsize their operations in line with the new limit, Oakley said.

Veteran team manager Tom Walkinshaw, the race program operator for the Holden Dealer Team and the Toll HSV team, said he was still examining the new rules.

"We've just been informed about this so we will digest it all and work out how to comply with the rules," Walkinshaw said.

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Those extra sponsorship dollars won't go very far now...

Also, another point Neil Crompton made is that some rules aren't very clear. i.e the defending of poistion rule. Some officials say 3 laps from the finish some four otheres five... The officials really need to clear them up...
 
^ It won't stop the sponsorship dollars coming in though...

Another view point here
TEAM owners fear mass redundancies in the wake of V8 Supercars' proposed salary cap for next season that will see budgets slashed by as much as 50 per cent.
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"They are proposing some very draconian penalties," Dane said.

"At the end of the day they'll just put people out of business with their sanctions -- whether they are right or wrong. I have not had a real good look at the TEGA proposal, but what they are effectively doing is putting someone out of business.

"Until I know what the $6.75 million includes and doesn't include, I can't say if it's the right or the wrong way for the sport to go. If they think driver salaries are too high, then it needs to dealt with in a proper market economy by improving supply and demand."
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"We knew it was coming, and that the cap would come in somewhere between $6-$7 million, but in two to three years' time, not in 23 days' time," said Edwards, who fears the budget cutbacks will mean loss of jobs to his operation with a staff of 38.

"It has all caught us off-guard, and this still needs to be ratified by the board, but I believe it will be. Our salary figure is more than half the total expenditure cap. The maths quite clearly don't add up. Job losses will be inevitable."

Either I've missed something - and if so a lot of teams have too - but wasn't that cap supposed to be phased in over two to three years, not just dumped on the teams? I'm really not convinced this cap (it's not a salary cap as the media is reporting, it's an expenditure cap, and excludes things like merchandise expenditure) is the right answer. More control components I would've thought would be a better option. I do however agree that something needs to be done to contain costs.

And Devon, you're right - there appears to be mass confusion about some of the rules, even amongst those enforcing the rules. This is supposed to be a professional sport, we have professional teams and professional drivers - but we don't have professional stewards.
 
The thing that needs to be sorted out is this.

Holden are allowed to have HRT and HSV run as 2 teams, but under the one banner.
Ford aren't allowed to have FPR and Britek run as 2 teams under one banner.

How is that fair? HRT and HSV are the two biggest budget teams.
 
Good summation:
Fans robbed of classic decider

Comment by James Stanford
December 12, 2006

CROWN Casino is not the place a V8 Supercars title should be decided.

The title should have been settled on the scorching tarmac at Phillip Island on Sunday.

Instead, stewards decided the result in a small room during a marathon hearing.

Fans, both Ford and Holden, have every right to be upset.

Why?

We were all robbed of a classic final-round heavyweight title decider the moment Rick Kelly hit Craig Lowndes on the second lap.

Kelly also blew the chance to finally prove he is a better driver than Lowndes.

Kelly raced with his brain more than his heart this season and he went into the final round leading because he had been remarkably consistent despite not winning a round.

Lowndes had some shocking results, but he always raced hard and took four round wins.

Kelly has always said he was driving conservatively because the points system rewarded consistency, and he said he could have gone faster if he had needed to take more risks.

The final race at Phillip Island gave him the chance to prove he really could outpace Lowndes.

Within the rules, the stewards made the right decision to give Kelly a drive-through penalty and uphold that decision yesterday.

But Kelly's move, deliberate or not, had wider implications.

It gave him his first title.

But he will have to prove next season that he is the true champion.

Source
 
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