"Gabber" is a building material? Didn't know that.
Anyway, I think hardcore has its roots in the Netherlands, and that's also the only country where it has organised groups of fans, I think. They have festivals and concerts.
However, most of the fans are XTC-eating dumbasses, and quite often associated with extreme-right and neo-nazis because of their clothing style and aggressive dancing style...
It's not exactly an environment where I'd enjoy myself in.
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