Sicko

His earlier films were ok but I have grown to dislike him. He oversimplifies events and tries to mislead.
 
His films are interesting.... but as a person... he's a douche bag
 
I'll just see it as a 1? hour episode of Bullshit! without Penn & Teller, it's always fun though to see the aftermath of his films 50% of America defending him and the other half saying hes a douche. Personally i have always thought the American health care system was strange but thats probably because i'm from a country that has a good one.
 
Actually, this one is supposed to be a bit different. I saw an interview with him on Bill Maher and I might actually watch this movie. I have never seen anything by him in the past, but I might give this one a chance.... by download of course, that nimrod is not getting my loot!
 
The subject of the movie is interesting, and I really do think that the healthcare system in the United States needs to be reformed. The costs are astronomical, and even if people can afford health insurance some can't get insured due to pre-existing conditions. So as far as that is concerned, it needs to change.

As far as the film goes, it wasn't that great. Not compared to F9/11 at least. Near the end he takes a really cheap shot at someone....which was very slimy. I still think people should watch it (like I said above, the subject is interesting...)
 
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I'm half way through watching it and it is quite interesting, makes me feel happy about the system we have in place here. Just another sign of how corrupt the US government is and how they will sell out their country for a few dollars in their pocket.

I have to agree that it is like a 2 hours long episode of BS. I find Moore often has a very good point to make but the movies kind of go off the point part way through, loose it for a while and then pick it up towards the end.
 
Near the end he takes a really cheap shot at someone....which was very slimy.
I just watched it and, assuming we're both referring to the same thing (see spoiler below), how on earth was that a cheap shot? Self promoting, maybe, but a cheap shot? Even I'm not that cynical.

He gave the operator of a Michael Moore hate-site twelve grand so the website could stay up-and-running and pay for his wife's medical problems. I'm extremely curious about how you interpret that as a "cheap shot".
 
It had nothing to do with the movie really and it served no purpose. He sent the check anonymously, waits until it's cashed...and then says it's from him. He wanted to make the guy feel like shit IMO

You can tell this by the way he framed the whole thing

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If you do something out of the kindness of your heart, why then exploit it in a film?
 
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If you do something out of the kindness of your heart, why then exploit it in a film?
To create an example? I don't think it's in either of our place to judge him as neither of us knows what he was really thinking. Maybe you're right, or maybe he really does believe that this healthcare thing is out of control. He's certainly got the means to do something like this. Who knows...
 
I don't question him on why he did the movie. Just that last bit, which to me seemed like he was trying to say that he's better than the other guy. I checked the other site, he seems to be taking a lot of heat...and the movie hasn't even been released yet.
 
I don't question him on why he did the movie. Just that last bit, which to me seemed like he was trying to say that he's better than the other guy.
Hmm...I interpreted it as more of "doing-my-part" thing for society and showing that he really means it by doing it for an enemy.
 
I just watched this film, and I expect that for the same reason I didn't like Fahrenheit 9/11 as much as many Americans - i.e., it's a very America/centric film. As I expected, the section of the film where Moore visited the UK and saw the NHS was my favourite part, particularly as Tony Benn was a talkng head, and he's a man I admire greatly (see Concorde for a good example why).

I've seen Bowling For Columbine, and I loved that film. I could watch it again and again. It's on a great topic, it's well put together, and consistently interesting and entertaining. Only one part of the film really feels as though it's labouring the point and should move on. Overall it's a smart, fast-paced, funny and effective documentary with some absolutely fantastic interviewees, and they make many of the film's best scenes.

Fahrenheit 9/11 was basically made as an all-out assault on George Bush to try and affect the results of the American election that year, from what I understand (I heard that Moore gave up the chance of an Oscar by having it broadcast on TV in November), and as such it naturally held most potent appeal for Americans, by and large. I found myself largely bored by many parts of the film, because I simply didn't find it a very interesting subject, and felt that many parts of the film repeated themselves over and over.

Sicko had a wider-ranging message, as is shown partly by the fact that Moore gets himself into debates about it over in England and France, and everyone seems to have an opinion. It wasn't quite what I expected it to be about, either - I'd thought it focuses on people without health insurance in the USA, but it in fact focuses on how those with insurance get consistently ripped off by the companies who are supposedly there to 'help'. This made for a more interesting and fruitful topic than I suspect the first one would have. However, for those who see Moore as a manipulative, sneaky man who twists and invents facts for his own purposes, often mirroring those he opposes, there's quite a bit to dislike in Sicko, particularly in the first part of the film, where he speaks to several normal Americans about their experiences (not only people who were victims of sickness and accidents, but some who worked for the insurance firms and had to deny people healthcare). While there are several interesting points made - I certainly had no idea about the problems with health insurance in the USA, living in the UK, and having never really thought about it - it often feels as though Moore is beating a dead horse, and should move on to something else. Worse than this, though, is the use of crying and instrumental music, and all sorts of crap like that, to manipulate the audience's feelings in a sickening sort of way that you haven't seen since the start of Love Actually, where Richard Curtis uses the phone calls that people made on the doomed planes on 9/11, telling their families and partners they loved them, to show that "actually, there was a lot of love on that day". It's really quite nauseating to see Moore treat the audience in such a patronising way. How ironic that a film about the corruption of the healthcare system makes you feel like throwing up.

Apart from my pet peeves with the film, it's as well put together as any average documentary you'll see, really. The content serves to move the film along more so than the filmmaking, which really wants to just hold back and make you cry as much as possible. This lowered my view of Michael Moore somewhat. I have no real idea about the accuracy of the facts in many of his films, but I do believe that there's a good dollop of truth behind what he says most of the time. The film does have a small but notable whiff of a teenage "big corporations are bad" rant about it, and in the end you do want to just slap Moore in the face and shout, "But they're there to make money, asshole, that's what they do!" ...but you can forgive it that.

The type of manipulation of the audience displayed in Sicko betrays a desperate filmmaker, and that disturbs me because Moore really has nothing to be desperate about. He has a very good subject for a film and gathers some very good footage from various people and archives concerning it. That's what a good documentary comes down to in the end - good footage relevant to an interesting topic (whether it supports it or not - and it's often good to have some content that disagrees with the supported notion), logically, well-contructed with a decent introduction (which Sicko lacked) and a sensibly-reached conclusion, whether you agree or not. Sicko basically lacked a full conclusion (other than American healthcare is pretty bad), but the trip to Cuba that they took was quite cool.


Sicko failed on a few levels for me, but it's still a documentary worth seeing, especially if you live in the USA and have medical insurance. It's enlightening on a number of points. Just remember the fact that I didn't consider, and makes all the difference - the insurance companies are profit-making, like any other, and so the less healthcare they pay for, the better.

6/10.
 
It had nothing to do with the movie really and it served no purpose. He sent the check anonymously, waits until it's cashed...and then says it's from him. He wanted to make the guy feel like shit IMO

You can tell this by the way he framed the whole thing

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If you do something out of the kindness of your heart, why then exploit it in a film?

actually this was huge on the internet a while ago, he sent the check anonymously, but when the operator of the website went out of his way to find out who sent the check and turned out to be Moore, he posted an angry (and thankful) message on his website.

I felt Moore put that piece in the film to respond (counter) to the message on the anti-Moore website, not to self promote.
of course, just my opinion
 
Doesn't Moore have like... his own website for crap like that?
 
Just watching Sicko now, it's better than what I expected Moore isn't always in the picture and shouting.
I cannot believe that every single American gets threated that badly by the insurance companies. Moore must have singled out the worst cases. I mean I had private health insurance in Germany, and the reason why my parents got it, was the better service they provide. I got everything available, private dentist and that sort of stuff, sure my parents would spend a couple of thousand euros a month on health care, but that was cheaper than paying into the public health system.

The whole talk about how nice France is, made me almost vomit. 5 weeks holiday a year, a 35hour week and they think it's all great. Sure socialist systems provide service to everyone, but it's the strong socialism and nationalism that I despise about France. The French are rather restrictive and these rules are universal. They should have shown the problems that small business owners have, because they have to pay huge amounts for social security of their workers. They pay more than the workers.

edit: Just watching the Cuba bit, Moore finally became himself again, his sensationalism and populism is back :(
 
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