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Bugs used to fight London gangs

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Gangs are hard to infiltrate, police say

Listening devices and hidden cameras are being used by police in London to help infiltrate gangs of youths. Detectives hope the hi-tech gadgets - which can be placed in cars, homes or on street corners - can help yield vital intelligence.
The technology is already deployed in Lambeth, south London, where a number of teenage gangs are based.
A police spokesman said the devices are used to gather information but any evidence is not admissible in court.
Police have admitted difficulties in breaking into tight-knit groups, which often include teenagers, and identifying key figures and activities such as drug dealing or gun violence.
Such "covert tactics" have only previously been used against organised criminal networks and terrorist organisations.
A police spokesman declined to say how the technology is used by police because details would harm "operational requirements".
The admission of the Metropolitan Police's tactics against gangs came as the force released figures showing gun crime had risen 10% in the last six months.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Janet Williams said: "You will be aware of some of our surveillance capability.
"It is using these sort of facilities and seeing if they are acceptable and we can apply them locally."
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How can we help the rising cohort of people... and stop them becoming the gang members of the future
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Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair


Dept Com Williams said police were also having problems getting witnesses to come forward, especially in cases investigated by Operation Trident, which deals with gun crime among the black community.
Criminal gangs from other countries - including Nigeria, Jamaica, Turkey, Ukraine and Brazil - have been found to be operating in London this year.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said more effort needed to be made to stop youngsters joining gangs.
"How can we help the rising cohort of people, they are maybe 11 or 12, and stop them becoming the gang members of the future?
"The idea that people have of gangs is of a very organised Cosa Nostra (the Mafia's nickname). You are in it for life or not. That is not what these are."
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It's getting to the point that I would be scared to even visit.
 
I could put up with it all for a visit. I mean, it's not much different than going in to any store in this country where you're constantly on camera. But having to live with that every moment of everyday of my life? There's no way I could do that.
 
Luckily I am only just in Manchester (10m from Cheshire) so I don't have to venture into the centre very often at all.
 
Its a good idea and I'm for it, spy on the neds.

Is it just me or do most UK cities suck? Glasgow isn't great either and neither is the place where I live. Seriously you don't want to be out after light around here.
 
this isn't really new news, and apparently they are working or deploying cameras with speakers, so the person watching you can yell at you as well. or maybe it'll just play a loop about how awesome it is to live in Britain and how the government watches over you so well to keep you safe from "evil Arab terrorists"...er...uh...
 
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I would call central London one of he greatest places to live, but they really need to get rid of the, so idiots. Pricing them far out hasn't worked out yet, so fighting them with other means is necessary. Lambeth is quite close to the centre, so I appreciate it.

Altrincham is Chesire isnt it? One of the best places up North to live, although it of course lacks the diversity of London... :D
 
I can't say that I'm surprised at this point. What I am surprised about is that they haven't found a way to make any information gathered this way admissible in court. I guess it doesn't really matter, they're just targeting a bunch of delinquent teenagers.
 
zenkidori said:
this isn't really new news, and apparently they are working or deploying cameras with speakers, so the person watching you can yell at you as well. or maybe it'll just play a loop about how awesome it is to live in Britain and how the government watches over you so well to keep you safe from "evil Arab terrorists"...er...uh...
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You mean kind of like The Screen in 1984? Big Brother is watching you.
 
The UK really is starting to seem like a vision of hell these days, from a certain point of view.
 
It sure is Fatmouse, I've had enough long ago, just trying to decide where I want to go.

It's not even this sort of camera stuff which is scary, Mayor run major cities with too much money always get up tight about crime (like the gun ban in NYC) as it's the one factor which can drive people away.

It just amazes me level the lowest common denominator just seems to control the whole running of the nation. Britain used to stand for common sense, compassion and being truly free. With the help of Labour and the EU were just another landmass in an overcrowded, unbalanced superstate which has lost it's way.

It's a shame no one told labour 1984 wasn't an instruction manual.



/on a side note, George Orwell was a hell of a visionary, shame he didn't see something nice like brazilian pornstars on every street, I could actually live with that

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jensked said:
You're welcome in Belgium, where the Intelligence Agency can't even tap phonelines.
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But you can't have guns anymore...:p Belgium used to be one of favourites for their relaxed gun laws, the relaxed banking supervision and the great food. Two are sadly gone, the food remains, but it was better before.

Donington said:
Nah, Edinburgh's great, as are Sheffield and Leeds, Liverpool is good too.
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I have been to Sheffield, Leeds and Liverpool I would not walk through any of these cities on a Saturday night, whereas I would walk through London. I guess it all about preferences. Northern cities don't offer much in my eyes, but for other they can. ;)
All these cities lack the comfort and features of London as well. You can't get a good Sushi and Michelin star restaurants are rare.
 
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