jarborra said:
subymaster said:
My hypothesis about the m5's perfomrance was BAD tires. The stig had a good amount of oversteer at almost every corner exit. However turn-ins looked very good and had 0 understeer...which leads me to believe the rear tires were shot to hell. The front tires had enough grip to let the stig come in hot, but when he got on it at corner exit the rears had nothing. The stigg probabaly got his best lap by going in fast and coming out with a little oversteer rather than coming in slow and exiting neutral. There is NO way bmw gave the M5 that kind of oversteer bias from the factory...its unsafe.
Very good analysis. Thanks for the insight, that could well have been the reason.
subymaster said:
Also like they said, all the cars above the m5 were basically supercars.
Except the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-320 right? That's only ?29,999 and a car that I hoped a 507bhp ?62,000 BMW M5 would beat.
http://img50.imageshack.**/img50/9308/m5speed0ty.jpg
WTF?!?
:shock:
Well, you have to factor most of the things Tiff said in his review. The M5 is one fat lard of a car with all that luxury and safety equipment on it. It's not the tires... if it was it wouldn't be too much. Upgrade the tires on the CLS55 and it'd post similar times to the M5 as it stands.
The Evo has standard amenties, weighs a whole lot less and screams out of corners with every acronym under the sun helping it's AWD. You also forget acceleration that's just as fast as the M5. And with the Evo IX posting 4 seconds faster than the VIII MR on the Nordschiefe, the Evo always is a performance bargain it was designed to be.
You also have to consider the M5 against it's Merc rival, which is better looking... more luxurious and easy to use... and that much more effortless as an everyday car. It's only a step slower... and that's on the outgoing AMG SC V8. Oh... and the Merc won't blow up after you flog it like the M5.
People that buy an M5 are people that want a luxury/status car that drives like a sports car and goes like one. That it definitely does. It's slightly different from customers purchasing a high end AMG. Those customers want a blend of luxury and effortless mindbending power. If you've ever had the pleasure of putting your foot down on a 55 or even a 65 AMG you know what I mean.
Oh BTW, I don't want the new M5... it seems like it would spend most of its time breaking everytime it gets flogged so why not buy the E55/CLS55 and take the money you save for a Gixxer for your kicks on the track... can't quite afford the Evo IX unless you drop down to a E500 + Evo.
The new M5 fails where the old one dazzled... it's not both a comfy sedan that's screaming fast to drive. It's a fragile, overcomplicated, hairy supersedan that isn't as comfy as its rivals (RS6, E55/CLS55, STypeR, etc)... it's hopefully cheaper than a Maserati Quattroporte or else, you might as well buy that one since it didn't blow up when Vicky drove it and it has normal controls instead of crappy iDrive.
EDIT: I just noticed that even on it's POS crap OE tires... the Vette is right there. Buy Vette and luxury sedan for price of M5.
