zenkidori said:How can you not see that it's a 300?
Jostyrostelli said:wescx said:Plissken said:jarborra said:Except the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-320 right? That's only ?29,999 and a car that I hoped a 507bhp ?62,000 BMW M5 would beat.
Difference being the Evo would need a service after every lap and replacement tyres every lap and a half.
Did seem a bad lap from Stig though. Very untidy.
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GodGell said:zenkidori said:How can you not see that it's a 300?
a Supra is very similar in shape.
Volvo_S70 said:Another newbie, like me...
Spare-Flair said:remember Jeremy said that the Stig broke the differential on an M5 and had to be towed away. After Jeremy drove a different M5 it, all sort of failure warning lights were lighting up on him so the M5 seems to have some serious problems across various models so you can't attribute to problems simply to the single car and the single lap as being "bad".
subymaster said:Tires aren't the only possible culprit, an aggressive rear diff or stiff rear suspension would cause the same things to happen, that's how I had my 240 set up.
like i said before, no major carmaker in their right minds, especially bmw, would give a car that kind of oversteer bias from the factory....it would make for an extremely unsafe vehicle in the hands of the average joe. but i do understand what you are saying.....i just find that possibility highly unlikely
stealthx32 said:The traction control was off. All oversteer situations occured while ON the throttle, known as power oversteer. Perhaps you've never driven a RWD car before?
There's this concept. Its called the grip circle. When you're at the limit of lateral grip, there is no way to get any longitudinal grip. And the same applies vice versa. When you're cornering @ the tire limit, and you try to brake, you WILL understeer. If you try to get on the gas, the tail WILL step out.
So, on corner exit, you can't be completely on the throttle (yes, even with the snazzy differential that BMW can't even get right), because if you try and put down power (a.k.a. induce a longitudinal load on the tire), the tire will just let go since you've overcome the ultimate grip of the tire. Most traction controls on fly-by-wire throttle bodies will stop you from doing this when its still enabled. All seasons or not, it shouldn't change the balance of the car (unless different tires are being run front & rear).
So. Try and control 507 hp with the three inches of travel available (with two tons of mass + the added inertia at speed loading the two plebian sized tires) and lemme know how well you can modulate the throttle, mmkay?
Anyways, Tiff's review was much better. He was more worried about driving the car than complaining...something Jeremy's quite good at. 8)
stealthx32 said:Anyways, Tiff's review was much better. He was more worried about driving the car than complaining...something Jeremy's quite good at. 8)
subymaster said:What you failed to address was the fact that power oversteer is incredibly easy to induce with shot rear tires and good fronts. Hence the reason the Stig chose to go in hot and exit with a bit of oversteer.
The stig has managed better with far more hairy cars and saying his lap was bad because he cant modulate the throttle on a BMW M car is laughable.
fnp said:Next week we should get the Monaro (mentioned after the Cadillac CTS-V review) and the restored Mini (from restoration ripoff in the last season). I have a funny feeling we won't see either
Right. Like M cars are the manifestation of the infallible automobile. Seriously. The Stig didn't understeer into the corners because he's a GOOD DRIVER. And who said the rear tires were shot? It was just some stab-in-the-dark speculation that someone posted here, no?
The quickest way around any track would obviously be where you're at the traction limit all around the track, correct? In something more purpose built, you'll be able to feel the rear slide when rolling on the throttle the instant you breach that traction limit, and you either lessen your steering angle or back off the throttle slightly. In the M5, everything is delayed, #1 by the need to make the car a 4 door saloon (making everything more compliant) and #2 by the need to bend the laws of physics by trying to get 4000 lbs of mass to change direction quickly.
Its a 507 hp, two ton saloon with a saloon wheelbase. Its not gonna be the ultimate driving machine. There is no way that it will have the same chassis mannerisms and driver communication of a purpose built machine. Watch the CLS test...I'm sure it'll be quite similar (although I believe even MB built a lighter car than BMW did in this case).