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[07x08] May 9th, 2005

dathrilla said:
bihus said:
dathrilla said:
whoever actually redownloads the episode just to get those 20 words must really be a nerd- in fact, im surprised at how many nerds there are in this Forum...oh btw, this week's FG was whack

Well, sorry for not being at your level... We'll try not to disappoint you again...

what are you talkin about?

What he said was pretty self explainatory, you don't have to be a nerd to get that. What the hell do you care what other people do, if you don't want to download then don't. I for one will probably download it, not only because I have to seed it, but because I'd like to have a proper ep is all, for a series archive. And the trying not to disappoint you part was sarcasm, I'm sure you got that tho... just saying you're not the only one on the forum we have to release these eps to. And tell us what you didn't like about the episode instead of saying it was whack. :)
 
Don't know what people are bangin' about on this episode, I thought it was quite good and much better than the last one which was the worst in this series.

Is it just me, or is Vicki getting a little tubby?

I don't really mind any of the long segments like the T-bone crash portion. I'm an all-around petrolhead and a segment doesn't have to deal with just supercars and racing for it to be interesting. As long as it's entertaining it doesn't matter what subject FG and TG is presenting.

Fifth Gear's budget must be a lot larger this year with them giving away nice cars like that! They never do that in Motortrend TV or Car and Driver!
 
I for one will probably download it, not only because I have to seed it, but because I'd like to have a proper ep is all, for a series archive
well, then you're a NERD too! :p


And tell us what you didn't like about the episode instead of saying it was whack

^^ Now there you're really pushin it!!!lool

cmon man..with all due respect, i really dont see any commentaries other than how many times Vicky smiled in this episode or what color her t-shirt was...in my point of view, the episode was whack-read the negative points of the episode posted in the prior three pages and u'll know why :)
 
Serj said:
Thanks Oman.
His remarks on the interior are right, but I feel there's reason for the plastics to be as hard as concrete in a 4x4. They wont bruise and deform from rugged use. He didnt even remark on the quality of the fit or shakes n rattles.

Yeah - I wasn't sure what he was on about with the plastics - when he tapped the dashboard I heard next to nothing...

I do appreciate his comments on the dash bulge, that's poor design in comparison to Mercedes that curve AWAY from your leg, and this is from the same company. The handbrake doesn't look too easy to grab either.

But the dashboard plastics, if they feel TOUGH that's GOOD. My Jeep is a couple years old and I can tear-ass down rough washboard roads and there's no rattling from the interior, the only trouble is the spare tire being a bit heavy for the mount but that's my fault and will be fitting a heavy duty carrier this summer. The interior is simple and solid though, and I can't say the same about more "comfortable" SUV's.

When Richard Hammond drove the Escalade and commented on the plastics in that, you heard the echo as he tapped the thin plastic dash!
 
Scud said:
X5 is just a crap car.

Jeremy is right on the ball with that car.
It just sucks.

The Jeep looks alot better and I dont care about the plastic cause the X5 has the same kind of plastic.

I don't think you can call the X5 crap, especially a crap car. A not very good 4x4 maybe but as a car for the road and a little bit of offroad (probably just dirt roads with a few ruts and things) it definately isn't crap. You are entitled to your opinion but I don't think you can call many cars crap, most of the do what they are suposed to at least. We actually had one for 3 days as a test drive :) , and on bitumen and ordinary gravel roads it was better than a lot of cars.

I think what he meant about the interior was the quality of plastics and stuff, not how well they are put together (which is where the squeaks and rattle come from). He thought that a car that expensive should have plastics that are nicer to look at and touch. Most of the german competition, in general, uses very high quality plastics and whatever other materials they have. Most of them actually spend a lot of money researching what is the best and what people like to interact with.

BUT having said that apart from the steering wheel and handbrake the plastics in the JEEP looked ok to me, and like you guys have said, they are probably hard wearing which is good in a 4X4. My father has a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI which has always been critisied for a poor interior and poor quality plastics but I have no problem with it, actually I quite like it and find it much nicer than my BMW 323i (admittedly 10+ years older, but still). So I think it is a matter of opinion. Which is what Jason Plato was giving, his opinion.
 
JoeBlo1 said:
Is it just me, or is Vicki getting a little tubby?

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing :shock: . Plato should stick to reviewing performance cars and let Tom do the reviewing of the more normal stuff. Jason's review style just does not work well with everyday cars.

The crash test stuff was interesting as usual but went on a little too long this time.

I would just about give my left bollock for one of those Le-mans cars, that is one sweet machine.

BTW, Nice splash screen at the begining. I kinda like that :D
 
Vicki..................................................................................;)

I agree with the Grand Cherokee, mind you I hate all SUVs unless they are used for what they are supposed to be.

Here's a question for you guys and gals (since we do have 2 ;)).
What do all these new crossover vehicles look like??? Yes a little off topic but it is the same point.

The shootout was okay. Was hoping the Clio would win though.

Crash test: The more reason to ban SUVs. ;)
 
Mischief007 said:
Crash test: The more reason to ban SUVs. ;)

Or maybe ban normal cars, since it was the passengers of the car that were killed.

Seriously though 4x4s or SUVs have a place, they are good for offroading, but they are also good for cary people and cargo. Something like the Jeep or X5 with 5 passengers (or even 7 in the case of other 4x4s like the Pajero) and a full load of luggage, and maybe even a caravan or trailer when people set out on holidays will be a lot safer than a normal car in the same situation. They are just made to do that sort of thing where as a car, even the bigger family sized cars, just aren't made for that. And like they showed, you put all that stuff in a normal and it drops a few inches which can be dangerous in an accident like that and it also affects handling (will bottom out easier and that can throw the car off balance), and braking and other things. A 4x4 will also be a bit lower, but not as much because they are made to carry those sort of loads with the suspension setups they have, and it was higher to begin with.

Don't forget the crash test with a pedestrian where the 4x4 actually caused less injury than a car because of its bigger frontal area.

I think the idea is not to ban 4x4s but to make them safer, along with the rest of the cars. Both the ones usd in that test were old so I imagine it has come a long way already. 1 big point is that most 4x4s aren't using big chassis rails like that anymore, they are built more like other cars. Also people have to consider not using 4x4s so much around the city, but then not everyone can afford 2 or more cars.

Aston
 
astondg said:
Mischief007 said:
Crash test: The more reason to ban SUVs. ;)

Or maybe ban normal cars, since it was the passengers of the car that were killed.

Seriously though 4x4s or SUVs have a place, they are good for offroading, but they are also good for cary people and cargo. Something like the Jeep or X5 with 5 passengers (or even 7 in the case of other 4x4s like the Pajero) and a full load of luggage, and maybe even a caravan or trailer when people set out on holidays will be a lot safer than a normal car in the same situation. They are just made to do that sort of thing where as a car, even the bigger family sized cars, just aren't made for that. And like they showed, you put all that stuff in a normal and it drops a few inches which can be dangerous in an accident like that and it also affects handling (will bottom out easier and that can throw the car off balance), and braking and other things. A 4x4 will also be a bit lower, but not as much because they are made to carry those sort of loads with the suspension setups they have, and it was higher to begin with.

Don't forget the crash test with a pedestrian where the 4x4 actually caused less injury than a car because of its bigger frontal area.

I think the idea is not to ban 4x4s but to make them safer, along with the rest of the cars. Both the ones usd in that test were old so I imagine it has come a long way already. 1 big point is that most 4x4s aren't using big chassis rails like that anymore, they are built more like other cars. Also people have to consider not using 4x4s so much around the city, but then not everyone can afford 2 or more cars.

Aston

Valid points.

One word, well two technically: Station wagons. ;)
 
yup... Aston, you have a very good point there, I agree with you... Mischief, stationwagons are beasically the same as cars, when you put alot of stuff, the car goes a couple of inches lower as well...
 
i didnt really enjoy this episode as well. It makes you feel a bit aware of the circumstances when collision occured between big and small cars. Specially that T junction crashes. I think i will buy an SUV with deer holder front bumper from now on, at least i know i will survive :thumbsup:
 
bobber69 said:
they should put Bentley into that Civic.
To Jail80 - FG is the serious one of these programs, where TG is more entertainment, and TG always loves English cars because they think it's a fun/good idea to be nationalistic. You need to take the statements made in TG with a grain of salt, but I still think TG is the best TV-show ever made.

Well... I've kinda noticed that.. :) In TG they also have this fun-factor and x-factor in cars. You're right on FG being the serious one out of these two.
 
Jail80 said:
bobber69 said:
they should put Bentley into that Civic.
To Jail80 - FG is the serious one of these programs, where TG is more entertainment, and TG always loves English cars because they think it's a fun/good idea to be nationalistic. You need to take the statements made in TG with a grain of salt, but I still think TG is the best TV-show ever made.

Well... I've kinda noticed that.. :) In TG they also have this fun-factor and x-factor in car reviews... so you're right on FG being the serious one out of these two.
 
Oman4x4 said:
Serj said:
Thanks Oman.
His remarks on the interior are right, but I feel there's reason for the plastics to be as hard as concrete in a 4x4. They wont bruise and deform from rugged use. He didnt even remark on the quality of the fit or shakes n rattles.

Yeah - I wasn't sure what he was on about with the plastics - when he tapped the dashboard I heard next to nothing...

I do appreciate his comments on the dash bulge, that's poor design in comparison to Mercedes that curve AWAY from your leg, and this is from the same company. The handbrake doesn't look too easy to grab either.

But the dashboard plastics, if they feel TOUGH that's GOOD. My Jeep is a couple years old and I can tear-ass down rough washboard roads and there's no rattling from the interior, the only trouble is the spare tire being a bit heavy for the mount but that's my fault and will be fitting a heavy duty carrier this summer. The interior is simple and solid though, and I can't say the same about more "comfortable" SUV's.

When Richard Hammond drove the Escalade and commented on the plastics in that, you heard the echo as he tapped the thin plastic dash!

I think what he ment on the bad plastic is on the luxurious aspect of it.. plastic = not luxury .. Hard stuff is good yes, but they could've covered it with leather, no? it would've looked so much better and would've felt better too. And to your comments earlier on the offroads having to be good offroad, not necessarily great on road, I don't agree, they have to be great on both. especially if you use it as an everyday car, well you will be pretty much driving it almost on road all the time. unless you wanna go have fun, then its offroad time but thats for a very little time. And if you think about it, 4x4 buyers nowadays rarely even think of going offroad, they either get it because they like it, or need the room. probably in Oman, UAE, KSA... the gulf countries use it on sands cause its fun, i've seen some here take it offroad.. but if i'll say a ratio of people who drive them on road to offroad outta my head, i'd say about 20:1 if not more. So i really agree with Plato on his review, the car must handle great onroad as well as offroad, because simply te car is on road more of the time than offroad.
 
Not a terrible ep, a bit disjointed though, as everyone else says crash test was too long.

I'm really not to keen on the new jeep, though I've never been a huge fan of any of them apart from the wrangler/CJ series. I can see what Jason is saying and for the most part agree with him.
From what I saw it didn't really wow me. The 30K+ price puts it in a very competative market here in the UK. And the only place I ever see a jeep grand cherokee is outside the local school or supermarket so I think his on road bias argument is very true for this country.
I think what he was getting at was they could have done such a better job, especially now mercades has that new ergonomic's lab to produce good quallity interiors at lower costs.

Really impressed with the hot hatchs especially seeing vicky says she could get round there in the lambo in about a minute and they were both in the 50sec region (tiff driving proably helped a bit though ;) )

The Superormance was in topgear mag last year, it was bad arse then and is bad arse now, the review was a bit cack though.

4x4 raping a civic was intresting to, feel sorry for the dummy!!
 
ruuman said:
Really impressed with the hot hatchs especially seeing vicky says she could get round there in the lambo in about a minute and they were both in the 50sec region (tiff driving proably helped a bit though ;) )

Don't forget it was wet, and she wasn't pushing it at the max. Her mother was on board. :)

See this for guidance

http://forum.finalgear.com/viewtopic.php?p=105945#105945

Martin Brundle, an ex-F1 driver tested similar cars for CAR magazine's 2004 Performance Car of the Year article (Dec, 2004) around Anglesey. Here's what he got:

Noble M400: 48.83s
Porsche 991 GT3 RS: 50.01s
Ford GT: 50.55s
Lamborghini Gallardo: 50.62s
Porsche 911 (997) Carrera S: 51.41s
Mitsubishi EVO VIII MR FQ-340: 51.45s
Lotus Exige: 51.68s
Lotus Elise 111R: 52.24s
Vauxhall VXR220: 52.31s
Aston Martin DB9: 52.74s
TVR T350t: 53.15s
Mercedes-Benz SLK350: 53.80s (tie)
Subaru Impreza WR1: 53.80s (tie)
Audi RS6 Plus: 54.35s
Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG: 54.44s
Vauxhall VXR Monaro: 54.85s
Renaultsport Megane 225: 55.00s
Renaultsport Clio 182: 55.95s
MG ZT 4.6 V8 260: 56.21s
BMW 120d: 56.40s
 
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