[08x03] October 24th, 2005

[ryosuke]

i also don't think the show was bad. sure, compared to top gear its not that great, but then top gear is just phenomenal and its hard to do something equally good without just copying it.
fifth gear is still avery good programme, the most german car shows on TV put you to sleep or make you smash up the tv. they are either extremely sensible and boring or made for the most simple minded blokes (like "tuning tv" were they put blonds with big tits and no idea about motoring in riced out sportscars and let them fool around a little...its just so annoyingly ridiculous).

i'm really glad i can watch top gear and fifth gear through the internet.

Koenigsegg CC8S had also clutch problem few years ago in Gumball 3000, repair guys fixed it. So maybe its the weak point.

But its NOT slow on track, it does old 20km long Nurburgring in 7.34(cold track).
From "real" production cars only Carrera GT has gone faster.7.28
SLR McLaren does it in 7.40 and rumour is that Zonda F is half second faster than Carrera GT but its not confirmed.

And people should forget that Mclaren F1 car, does it even pass same emission levels like Koenigsegg?(with its patented catalyzer.)

whats that obsession with emission levels?
are you american by any chance (since thats the only country from where i always hear about emission regulations...)?
stop buying those gas guzzlers and you don't have to worry about emissions so much...and the mclaren is a sportscar after all, its supposed to be loud, wild and emit lotsa exhaust fumes!

The Koenigsegg does handle... Just check out the Clarkson DVD in which they had sorted it out. However Clarkson might not be the most knowledgable when it comes to those small little characteristics of the car. Nonetheless, he said that it was a vast improvement since the car had been showcased on Top Gear.

We watch FG because there isn't anything else to watch till Top Gear comes on air.

The $8000 car thing is such a TG challenge rip off, one they didn't even do correctly.

how can that be a rip off? first of all the price difference alone shows that this is far from a top gear rip off, they also said clearly in the studio what this bit was about: the average amount of money spent on a car in britain was calculated to be 8211 pounds. so they went out to look what you might get for that.

Alhough Tiff is too blind with the McLaren... I think Clarkson is a lot more open minded about it.

how can you use clarkson and open minded in the same sentence? :lol:

I am quite a Koenigsegg fan, and I am very dissapointed in the CCR test. Not only did Tiff judge it without doing a proper test, he also took McLarens part, picked on the looks and left before he could do a new test.

The Koenigsegg may very well be unreliable, and I'm not to surprised that it broke down. But when Tiff and that other guy (who btw would melt in perfectly in LotR) talked about it, they made it sound like the car was an absolute piece of shit, and I do not believe that that is true!

I still look up to Christian von Koenigsegg. 12 years ago, he had nothing but a dream, and now he is the father of the fastest car in the world (Yeah, I know it's been beaten, but those 387km/h were run in a curve. He'll be back). His path is just...admirible!

german jan fatthauer who runs the small tuning company 9ff went to nardo a little before koenigsegg with his tuned porsche 911 and went 388kph...its not that hard to reach these speeds, especially if you have over 800hp. remember, the F1 only got around 620...

although i have to admit the nurburgring time (set up for the ring or not) is rather impressive.
i think the FG test of the koenigsegg showed, that buying into the supercar experience through a koenigsegg can turn out to be complicated.
what they said about this car they tested was true, but another car can be different. it shows that koenigsegg really needs more consistency. something that for example horatio pagani delivers with his zonda that the TG and FG crew equally adore.
i also admire von koenigsegg for his spirit, but i'd take the zonda, too.
if i was him though, i'd prepare another car and send it to FG a.s.a.p...

I don't think it would be that easy for them to get a brand new CCR to test and I am sure they would have tried. I think they would much rather test a car from the factory than borrow one from an owner.

its not always possible to ring up the factory and demand a supercar...just remember what top gear had to do to test the enzo.

Now whilst I appreciate the Ring is a toll road. Heres the shocker. Its really a race track.

So I wish all the manufacturers would stop claiming "it does a 8 min lap at the ring you know" I only need it to drive on UK crappy covered roads. With their potholes and camber changes. I dont need to have a car so stiff. I need it to work in the real world.

Has anyone actually seen proof of this ring lap btw? Or is it like the Veyron claimed 400+ kmh thing. Just made up by stupid journalists.

do you read evo magazine? :lol:

oh, and the lap was done by horst von saurma who for sportauto. he is a very experienced driver and tests all the supercars for the magazine. his laptimes are something of an institution and should all be correctly measured with 'german precision' and he also competes regularily in the 24h race on the ring.

Remember that Jezza praised the CC8S on his shootout DVD, even claiming that is was his favorite supercar. Now he does tend to say that about at least three car a year, but I think there is some truth behind it...

three? :lol:
he seems to say that about every sportscar he drives for the show that he likes.

 

[vanMould]

I am quite a Koenigsegg fan, and I am very dissapointed in the CCR test. Not only did Tiff judge it without doing a proper test, he also took McLarens part, picked on the looks and left before he could do a new test.

The Koenigsegg may very well be unreliable, and I'm not to surprised that it broke down. But when Tiff and that other guy (who btw would melt in perfectly in LotR) talked about it, they made it sound like the car was an absolute piece of shit, and I do not believe that that is true!

I still look up to Christian von Koenigsegg. 12 years ago, he had nothing but a dream, and now he is the father of the fastest car in the world (Yeah, I know it's been beaten, but those 387km/h were run in a curve. He'll be back). His path is just...admirible!

german jan fatthauer who runs the small tuning company 9ff went to nardo a little before koenigsegg with his tuned porsche 911 and went 388kph...its not that hard to reach these speeds, especially if you have over 800hp. remember, the F1 only got around 620...

I suppose that as long as you've got the power, aerodynamics and suspension on your side, reaching 400km/h shouldn't be a work of genius. But doing it in a car that you can then drive home is a tad bit harder To be road legal it has to be clean, safe and (relatively) silent, so just any Spitfire engine won't do the job.

although i have to admit the nurburgring time (set up for the ring or not) is rather impressive.
i think the FG test of the koenigsegg showed, that buying into the supercar experience through a koenigsegg can turn out to be complicated.
what they said about this car they tested was true, but another car can be different. it shows that koenigsegg really needs more consistency. something that for example horatio pagani delivers with his zonda that the TG and FG crew equally adore.
i also admire von koenigsegg for his spirit, but i'd take the zonda, too.
if i was him though, i'd prepare another car and send it to FG a.s.a.p...

If I were to buy I Koenigsegg I would probably appreciate the adjustablilty, although I would probably just have two settings: one for the racetrack and one for the road. Maybe they should do like BMW and Audi have done with their M and RS models; put a button in it that changes everything to Stig-mode. If not else it would be a really cool gadget

 

[justvisiting]

I think the reason for the adjustability is for track setup. Sure you could have one button for track, but it wouldnt work for all tracks, it would just increase response, stiffen the suspension a set amount, and lighten the TC. It would not bring perfection to the track needed to grab those extra tenths of a second. The adjustablity would allow you to constantly tweak the settings til its perfect for the track you go to regularly or other tracks.

I wonder if the Koenigsegg has adjustable transmission, where you can just open it grab the cogs and replace the gears, fill it back up with fluid and be done. That may explain both the ring time, and the tiffs review about the apart ratios.

 

[awdrifter]

I would want adjustability if I want a track car too. But people buy supercars like this doesn't really track their cars, so I would prefer the beautiful interior and design of the Zonda F more.

 

[astondg]

Just because a car has body roll doesn't mean it doesn't handle well. I would rather have a bit of body roll than a car that couldn't decide what it wanted to do and moved around all over the place. The Lancer Evolution series is considered by a lot of people to be a fairly decent handling sedan (The Top Gear test showed it isn't embarrassed by a Murcielargo) and it also has quite a bit of body roll. Body roll also means that it might have a bit of compliance so it still handles well on bumpier roads too and keeps the tyres in contact with the ground.

 

[justvisiting]

thats true in that a little body roll is needed, but body roll also decreases driver confidence.. nothing feels better than being planted. bumpy roads should be delt with by the performance shocks and ample stroke room. As for keeping the tires on the ground, shouldnt that be the springs job? I would think less roll is better in terms of handling. The only negative I can think of to increasing longitudunal rigidity would be transmitted shock. As in; hit a dip in the drivers side, it transmits to the passenger side. Thats why "sporty" drives are described as stiffer, no compromise to ride quality. The Evo, being still a saloon/sedan needs to be comfortable to an extent, to maintain the ecobox rally car image, so a bit of roll is necessary. The body roll in it is however, countered with the AYC system they have, which would be what all the reviewers are refering to as electronic corrects. feel free to correct me if im wrong.. im so bored studying in the library.

 

[bartboy9891]

Now whilst I appreciate the Ring is a toll road. Heres the shocker. Its really a race track.

So I wish all the manufacturers would stop claiming "it does a 8 min lap at the ring you know" I only need it to drive on UK crappy covered roads. With their potholes and camber changes. I dont need to have a car so stiff. I need it to work in the real world.

Has anyone actually seen proof of this ring lap btw? Or is it like the Veyron claimed 400+ kmh thing. Just made up by stupid journalists.

no one who buys a CCR will care about that though.

 

[AxlxA]

woah, vicki slimmed down and is how hot!!! Sorry i am just watching it for the first time now.

 

[MasterEvilAce]

Don't know if this has been asked, yet.. but what song plays at around 40 minutes? (A bit before, and a bit after) It sounds a LOT like Azziso Da Bass - Dooms Night (Or whatever it is)

However it seems a bit different.. like a remix perhaps? Anybody know?

Damn- Nevermind! I can't read properly

 

[undien717]

I think the logo for the CCR looks ridiculous. It looks like a ghost from scooby doo or something. The 24 race at silverstone was very interesting. That Spoon Accord-R was very consistent on the track.

 

[EsCoBaR]

Hmm, why Vicki in start of the show say WELCOME IN ANOTHER 60 MINUTE..

My file is just 45 minute?! Because of comercial or what... :?

 

[SL65]

Hmm, why Vicki in start of the show say WELCOME IN ANOTHER 60 MINUTE..

My file is just 45 minute?! Because of comercial or what... :?

Channel 5 is commercial is there is 15-minutes total of commercials. We don't see them though

EDIT: Yes I acknowlage that my english is terrible in this post...sorry!

 

[EsCoBaR]

I dont understand very well what you say..

Im not good in English so much..

 

[MasterEvilAce]

There's only 45 minutes of actual show. The other 15 minutes are taken up by commercials. That takes up a total of 60 minutes

 

[EsCoBaR]

Aha.. that mean I have properly episode, like other...

Thanks man...

 

[EsCoBaR]

Can anyone tell me what is first name of driver who was driving Suzuki (bike)..?! I know that Vicki say Smith, but I don't know name.. I need this info for my "project"..

 

[SL65]

Kevin.

She just called him "Kev" as a nickname.

 

[EsCoBaR]

What is the real name of the car from Sweden..?!

Koenisag...... which model!? :lol:

@SL65 - Thanks on previous answer...

 

[SL65]

What is the real name of the car from Sweden..?!

Koenisag...... which model!? :lol:

@SL65 - Thanks on previous answer...

Koenigsegg CCR