[14x06] December 27th, 2009 [South America Special]

[14x06] December 27th, 2009 [South America Special]


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It is clear that the car was pushed down the hill.

Freezeframe the moment he gets out of the car. You can see fingers in the back tray of the vehicle. When it starts to roll. The hand disappears.

Sorry if I've spoilt it... but I just can't believe people think it wasn't set up.

Yeppum. There were many, many setups in this ep. Blessem. :)

Who else thinks the 'passing on the narrow steep rickety road' white V8 Lexus 'Cruiser was a crew car? I do. :)

But a bloody cracking boys-own-tale episode all the same. Well done. Nice post Andy.

:)
 
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It's just occurred to me, even though this has been a less than stella season, if we're honest, TopGear still makes me feel good after I've watched an episode. Properly good.

And I'm hard pressed to think of any other TV show that makes me feel like that.

:)
 
I would never actually do what they did, you need tons of bravery, especially if your like me and Richard Hammond, afraid of insects, to do this, god, once i saw the snake in his car, I was immediately turn off by the whole forest camping thing, however, this is the Best episode in the whole Series, no wonder.

It is clear that the car was pushed down the hill.

Freezeframe the moment he gets out of the car. You can see fingers in the back tray of the vehicle. When it starts to roll. The hand disappears.

Sorry if I've spoilt it... but I just can't believe people think it wasn't set up.

The whole episode is a set-up, everything is :S.
 
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It pains me to think that the one moment that had some real tension was entirely faked. After all, wasn't it very nice of those people in the white SUV to stay on the road, likewise Jeremy in his moment of near-death, and wait for the film crew to get there and move in for some close-ups, then back out for the wide shots. Respect to the driver during the close-ups of the wheel near the edge. If one wheel slips the momentum could have taken the whole thing down.

Nope. If you look carefully you'll see that all the closeups of the tires and rocks falling down into the abyss and so on show little execept the abyss and maybe a tire or so...
...these were shot later, presumably with no one but the camera crew around, to aid the storytelling. The incident itself, i think, was genuine.

There was a Wilman blog some years ago explaining that after challenges/races the presenters just board a plane back home, while the camera crew goes back by car, taking their time on the way to get all the beauty shots, details, effects etc they did not get while the race was on.
It's not unlike the way a documentary about travelling the Trans-Siberian Railway would be filmed: Go there by train, get all the shots inside and the story, than go back by car and film the train going by and all the scenery alongside the track.

Apart from that i like the Africa film better only because the plains of Africa are more rewarding than the rainforests are, camera-wise. It's hard to get brilliant shots when you can't see more than five feet ahead. Going all Rambo with the close-ups was a brilliant solution, but all in all that - along with the lack of aerial photography - is the only thing i did not like about the film.

There were minor continuity glitches, too, which i think are due to rushed editing. Nothing of the OMG script0rz variety, but stuff like no one mentioning Hammond's brakes being fixed, James' alternator issue coming up out-of nowhere and some other things like that. This is what happens when you have to edit out segments to get the film shortened and have run out of "fresh" third-party viewers giving the edit a consistency check... i think this will be sorted out in the (hopefully) upcoming DVD version.

All in all, 9/10.

EDIT One minor thing: I got a feeling that the boys arguing after Jezza left them on Death Road was a bit too genuine... they still like each other, the chemistry's still there (or back there) but they clearly are in need of a break. Soon. Eventhough this episode was brilliant, seeing how tired they boys were -and some mild cases of cabin fever- is more proof that they need a break. Now.

See, Andy? You all still got it in you! Now go back to Geoff or the art car and tell me you're proud of it!

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Even if all white Toyotas in South America are TG camera crew rentals, Jezza's fear seemed genuine enough for me. He's not that much of an actor.
 
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Yes it was bloody good. I would give it a 10.5 if I could. Better than the Polar Expedition, the Africa expedition; the mountains of Southern France; Swiss; Italy and Romania; the 2 trips to US and the races like GTR vs Bullet Train and Veyron vs Airplane. It was awesome.

The white Toyota Tundra 4wd that was blocking Jeremy's progress was part of the production crew. It featured quite a few times in the episode.

And having driven at 14,000+ feet just this past summer ( 4300+ meters) across Colorado (USA) this episode surely reminded me of similar experiences with altitude sickness and the lack of power...any power...in any gear.
 
EDIT 2:[/I] Even if all white Toyotas in South America are TG camera crew rentals, Jezza's fear seemed genuine enough for me. He's not that much of an actor.

Hehe. But James was damned near Scarlet O'Hara, all head in hands running out of air up on top of The Hill.

Still good bloody good hypertainment though. Made my afternoon.
 
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Hehe. But James was damned near Scarlet O'Hara, all head in hands running out of air up on top of The Hill.

As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again.

This part?
 
sums up what petrol heads are all about,

only a bit jet-fuel injected so that it sparkels for television viewing, still, the raw essence is still present.
 
There was a Wilman blog some years ago explaining that after challenges/races the presenters just board a plane back home, while the camera crew goes back by car, taking their time on the way to get all the beauty shots, details, effects etc they did not get while the race was on.
It's not unlike the way a documentary about travelling the Trans-Siberian Railway would be filmed: Go there by train, get all the shots inside and the story, than go back by car and film the train going by and all the scenery alongside the track.

I've always wondered about that, and came to the same conclusion. Some of the shots they have would require them to say: "Hang on Clarkson, that was a great moment there. Could you stop mid-race, go back and do it again for us?" But then again, there is also a camera crew (car) always with them, even in the challenges/races isn't there? Because they do get shots "outside the car" with the presenter clearly inside. Sometimes you can tell they're from a different time though, because the sky is different etc

Even if all white Toyotas in South America are TG camera crew rentals, Jezza's fear seemed genuine enough for me. He's not that much of an actor.

I agree, he seemed genuinely worried. :)
 
But then again, there is also a camera crew (car) always with them, even in the challenges/races isn't there? Because they do get shots "outside the car" with the presenter clearly inside. Sometimes you can tell they're from a different time though, because the sky is different etc

Yep, they always got one "chase car" (=camera car) per presenter's vehicle. For stuff filmed on tarmac in europe this have been matte black Audi A3s for the last seasons (visible in the Lancia film for example and featured in the "making of"-films of Jezza's last two DVDs).
We know they also use V8 Range Rovers for offroad stuff (there have been some complaints about the sound from Jezza's 4-banger SUV in the "Fox Hunt" having been dubbed over with V8 sounds - turned out that was the chase car's motor).

This, of course, is only for tracking shots, following the moving vehicle with the camera. Drive-by shots are taken on another day without the presenters around...
 
Gave it a 8/10 and not a 10 for one reason, actually one person only: Hammond.

Started that ongoing joke of pushing his car against the others and yell "sorry!", then him shouting "Aaaarrrgh", "Eeeeeh" "Ooooo" "Ohhhh" constantly and over(bad)acting on the insects thing, the coca leave thing, "inadvertently" leaving his car to roll down and I find it all irritating.
Other than that it was a pleasure but I still prefer the African adventure though.

The wittiest and funniest remark was made by May:
He swallows the viagra pill but it stays in his mouth, waits for Clarkson to give him water and quips: " I'm gonna get a massive neck if I don't have some of that (water)!" :lol:

as someone who is terrified of insects, i can assure you that wasn't really over acting (you should see me when i see insects :p)
 
Finally saw it. I gave it a 9, which is the best this season. I can't figure out why they lifted the Rover and LandCruiser when they never needed it. Ah well, it was good.

Even if the Death Road scene with Jeremy was staged, I'd still be petrified at actually pulling it off. One slip and you're and ex-presenter...
 
There is absolutely no faking about the altitude part. I was at [nearly] the summit of pikes peak (14,000ft) for an entire day (14+ hours) and by the time we left, I was weak, my head hurt like crazy, my arms and legs were tingly and numb, and I was nearly throwing up. I was never short of breath though.
 
The thing is with the Jezza-on-the-cliff bit:

Staged it may have been, but as others pointed out, it no doubt happened several times during the trip. And no matter how protected Jezza might actually have been, whether he had some harness, or the car was tethered, or whatever theory you might come up with, as far as I'm concerned you can't see the join, and Clarkson is in genuine peril there.

Much of Top Gear reminds of Derren Brown's russian roulette stunt being done haphazardly - the cliff scene was an example of it being done expertly. When Derren Brown did the gun thing, people were talking about how it wasn't a bullet but a blank, he might have known for definite which chamber it was in, maybe there wasn't a bullet anyway, all this sort of stuff - we're in the same ballpark as Clarkson and co's caravan fire taking place somewhere other than advertised, under controlled circumstances. But no matter what Brown was 'lying' about, ultimately he created a solid illusion of a man potentially about to kill himself, and that's what we had with Jezza's cliff bit. In both cases, enormous tension was created, and fantastic television was the result. You can go back and point out where production cars are the same, but whatever - there's a point at which you have to just accept that Jezza is on the very edge of a cliff in a car which could slip down it at any minute, and that's something that's truly been caught on camera. The result is profound.

However, you get into murky waters with Top Gear, waters that Brown didn't have to contend with. Derren Brown is an illusionist - the job title tells you that you're going to be lied to, and you sign the viewer-programme contract in that understanding. Top Gear is a programme that purports to present real life events in a fundamentally documentary form, and so being lied to - even if it's in the same way as Derren Brown does - takes on a far greater significance. Things like pickups of cars driving past the camera, you don't even think about, but they are technically misleading - you're not watching Jezza drive that Bugatti across France, it's some other bloke who you just can't see, so you believe it's Jezza. That stuff's always been acceptable because it doesn't create events from nothing - the car drove fast, you know that. When it comes to the caravan fire, you're seeing something not only created deliberately but done so with the intention of being passed off to the viewer as spontaneous and unplanned, and in a programme that, by its format, tells you it's showing genuinely spontaneous events, it has a catastrophic effect on the viewer-programme contract.

I'll continue to watch and re-watch those dubious things, but my favourite parts of Top Gear will always be segments like the early cheap car challenges, such as the one with the Volvo, Rover and Audi. In those days the things that were set up (unless I've missed something that ruins my argument!), you were told we set up: i.e. the challenges. We were told they'd have to drive into brick walls, so we felt on the same side as the presenters and programme-makers, with the same information - essentially, we were collectively going, "I wonder what'll happen next". (I also felt the same way about the drive-time show episode - I much prefer listening to the show as it was broadcast, as can be found on FinalGear no doubt, than I do the edited version on Top Gear, because it has that element of rawness, that this really was live and anything could have happened.) Later episodes have been diluted with things that are more suspicious and thus damaging to our trust in and enjoyment of the programme, such as the car wash carnage - we're constantly asking, was it really an accident or a set-up? That's a question I didn't ask when Jezza was on the cliff edge, so gripped was I by the action and so clear was it that, no matter what behind-the-scenes chicanery there might have been, Jezza was on the edge of that cliff in that enormous vehicle.

What's my point? I don't know. Most of me really hates the clear involvement of production staff in the preparation and staging of events that are presented as spontaneous; the part of me that studies TV form academically understands that in TV-land, this is just the way it's done sometimes. I find it very hard to reconcile that - Top Gear's far from the only culprit but as a programme I love, it's the one I have the most trouble with intellectually.

And Mr Wilman, you can quote me on that. ;)

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do you mind pointing me in the correct direction for that? i tried a few search terms but didn't really find it

thanks!:D
 
In comparison to past specials, for me this wasn't a ten. As far as the scenery it was an 11. The HD footage just makes it all that much better. I personally felt for those guys driving past 16,000 feet. I was amazed they still were not at the summit. I live at 8,000 and have been over 14,000. It is just staggering that they were able to drive that high up. The end of the show was very powerful to me, they had crossed so much land and such different terrain. The Death road bit was breath taking. I can not believe they let Jeremy get into that position. Freaking Hell Man!
 
That was amazing. A lot of 'oh shit!' moments, esp when Jeremy let the other car go by and the rocks are falling and the road is giving way and you know he didnt fall off but still scary...crazy.

I know I can't be the only one who was reminded of Charlie and Ewan riding their bikes down to Cape Town, South Africa in Long Way Down; the winching, the bridge building etc..

Well done boys!

Yep - I always wanted that pair to do the pan-american highway... seems to be more ewans speed! :)
 
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