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[17x03] July 10th, 2011

[17x03] July 10th, 2011


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9/10 from me..
The Fax Machine review was good, swallowed a pony alive :p
Seb was brilliant too, both in the studio as well as in RPC
Evoque ran well with excellent cinematography.
Last segment was okay, felt bit half cooked
 
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There is a thread for this (stupid) conversation now.
 
Sebastian was too nice to complain, but the correct pronunciation of his surname is actually 'Fettl', with the stress on the first e.

I feel compelled to point that out because usually, and to his credit, Jeremy seems to make a point of getting his German pronunciation right, as behoves a true BBC presenter, e.g. pronouncing the 'e' in 'Porsche'.
 
MP4-12C: Solid review and when i thought it was going to way too positive towards the end i knew there was going to be twist like every TG car test, but they pretty much made Ferrari the Aston and McLaren the Porsche in Clarkson world. Was a bit surprised about that while i agreed.

News: Was ok. I would still want that to be purely about cars. There's easily enough of news every week for TG news segment. It being funny would have saved it but answer to that is no from me.

Evoque: Nope, did not like it. Was not entertained, neither did my car loving side got anything out of it.

Vettel: Loved it! I have seen couple of longer interviews of him and already made same kind of image of him on my head that i saw of him on TG.

End felt rushed. This could have easily been the +35 minutes challenge. It was one of the best parts of the episode, but it could have been so much better. I feel exactly like after the Renault Avantime tuning episode. That segment could have been all time great by really trying to tune the car till it would have exploded and after that went for the cocking about segment and a bit more clever tests for it.

Not as good as first episode, but better than last episode.

8/10
 
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Sebastian was too nice to complain, but the correct pronunciation of his surname is actually 'Fettl', with the stress on the first e.

I think it differs a lot, it's a similar thing to the pronunciation of "Kubica", there seems so many different ways of saying it.

Crofty from BBC 5Live says it the way you have.
Martin Brundle says "Vet-tell" (the way I choose to say it)
Both Clarkson and Coulthard seem to say "Vtell"

But http://namethatdriver.com/sebastian_vettel.asp is how the man himself says it.
 
so I emailed them a picture of my S2000 with some bird poop on the trunk. its pretty epic. ill post it up when i get home from work.
 
MP4-12C Review: I am still in shock about how fast the McLaren went around the track. Make it a couple hundred pounds lighter still and it would demolish the Atom V8's time.
News: Really didn't get much out of it, of course the news segment for all 3 shows so far hasn't been really good.
SIARPC: I wish I could sit down with Vettel and talk about cars, life or just throw jokes back and forth. Seems like a really nice, level-headed guy for someone of his stature.
Evoque: OK review, would have been better if May had drove around on the gravel/rocky trails instead of running into a small boulder and deciding to drive on the sand the rest of the way.
Challenge: Decent at best, but I'm more interested to see how the reviews are after they've had the cars for a couple of weeks. Plus, I would like to see if May would actually shave his head if neither car breaks down in a cloud of smoke.
 
I was actually in Death Valley earlier this year and caught camouflaged versions of the new Range Rover parked in a nearby motel, looking like they had just done some decent off-roading. I wonder if it was in preparation for the Top Gear shoot or if TG were just taking advantage of the model already being available out there for testing.

Here are some pics I took of one of them:

http://iretch.imgur.com/range_rover_camo#BUeAH
 
mmm, something is not quite right with that McLaren lap time. I'm not saying this because I'm italian and I prefer the Ferrari. I just can't believe that there are that many seconds of difference. Also, in every other single review the Ferrari was faster then the McLaren, now how come the MP is almost 3 seconds faster then the 458? Something is not right here. Also, what a pointless review, I mean, what is Jeremy talking about? It's more economical? It's confortable? In what other review of a SUPERCAR, Jeremy would praise these elements?

From his face I can tell he doesn't like the car and he doesn't know what to say so I speaks about pointless stuff. Fifth Gear review was FAR (miles) better. Just look at Jason and Tiff and their faces, they just turn sad in the Mclaren but not just because it's boring, you can feel their disappointment.
 
mmm, something is not quite right with that McLaren lap time. I'm not saying this because I'm italian and I prefer the Ferrari. I just can't believe that there are that many seconds of difference. Also, in every other single review the Ferrari was faster then the McLaren, now how come the MP is almost 3 seconds faster then the 458? Something is not right here.

Well, for starters it was a different STIG then (Ep 15x06). Conditions 'look' very similar, a leaden, overcast sky versus a sunny day with lots of white clouds. That doesn't reveal a lot about any actual temperature difference, for example.

3 seconds do look like a world of difference for one lap of that short track. But astonishing differences have occured a lot of times. The 458 beat its own predecessor (430 F1) by 3.8s, which put it only .1s behind the Enzo and .2s behind the Maserati MC12, although those, on paper, have a LOT more power and weigh even less.

I think the air brake on the Fax Machine might be a crucial contribution. You can only put so much brake force through the tires, and that amount is bound to be very similar in both cars, but the air brake force doesn't go through the tires and at high speeds, it means a lot extra deceleration.
 
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The lap times only give you a rough estimate how the cars perform. IIRC Wilman once said that they don't operate like a movie set. They can't wait for perfect conditions. TG lap times aren't precise. But they are entertaining.
That being said, the Ariel Atom pushes the boundaries of what the human face can take. I wouldn't drive one of those without a crash helmet.
 
Very solid 9, only reason it didn't get a 10 is because I like a little cocking about when it's actualy funny.

Mclaren review was awesome, awesome car aswell.

Range Rover film was a pleasure to look at and actualy informative about the car.

Vettel seemed like a nice guy realy.....

Cheap car challenge was an eyeopener.

One very minor point of critisisme is the whole 'killjoy' thing James seems to be playing out this season, not that I disagree with his points, but he will start sounding like a frustrated old man if they keep this up.
 
I think the McLaren, being designed and tested on the Top Gear track, came with it's own "Stig" to drive it round the track. It was driven differently than the usual New Stig style. That probably explains the 3s difference. New Stig gets the car for a day, McLaren Stig has drove that car round that track loads of times.
 
Well, for starters it was a different STIG then (Ep 15x06). Conditions 'look' very similar, a leaden, overcast sky versus a sunny day with lots of white clouds. That doesn't reveal a lot about any actual temperature difference, for example.

3 seconds do look like a world of difference for one lap of that short track. But astonishing differences have occured a lot of times. The 458 beat its own predecessor (430 F1) by 3.8s, which put it only .1s behind the Enzo and .2s behind the Maserati MC12, although those, on paper, have a LOT more power and weigh even less.

I think the air brake on the Fax Machine might be a crucial contribution. You can only put so much brake force through the tires, and that amount is bound to be very similar in both cars, but the air brake force doesn't go through the tires and at high speeds, it means a lot extra deceleration.

You forgot one very important thing. The McClaren was designed on the Top Gear Test Track. The Ferrari wasn't.
 
On the topic of buying a great used car instead for the price of a cheap but new economy box:

I wouldn't have thought it, but there actually are quite a lot of CL Mercs at that price or lower advertised. I suspect it might have a rather more severe depreciation than other models as buyers might need some enticing to get themselves an aging 12-cylinder with lots of electronics to possibly go wrong, and which is at the same time larger and less practical than conceivable alternatives. (The CL is longer and wider than a Subaru Legacy station but has only two doors and, I suspect, not even a folding rear seat.)

I wonder how much of a point James actually has with the cost of ownership.

Granted, the biggest factor usually is depreciation, and with the luxury cars, most of that has already happened, while the Nissan will lose about quarter as soon as you stick the license plates on.

But the 12-cylinders will consume about 14 liters of petrol per 100 km, or do about 16.8 mpg. So you need twice to three times as much fuel, for starters.

Tires for the Beemer (235/45 ZR 16) can be had for as little as 60 Euros per one, but with that kind of power and rear wheel drive you might not want to go for the cheapest kind of Chinese rubbish, so make that more like 120 Euros for a regular brand.

The Merc's OEM tire sizy is 225/55 ZR17, which, ha-hem, is actually narrower and with an even taller cross-section than the Beemer's 'Smarties'. And rather more expensive, so you'd be looking at some 160 Euros per tire. More if you insist on playing Clarkson and running it on 18 or 19 inch rims. The Nissan uses common-or-garden, 165/60 R14 75H, for which prices start at roundabout 35 Euros, and you can get decent branded rubber for as little as 60.

Then there's insurance. The Merc is in the 23 type class bracket in Germany, which is quite a lot more than the Nissan at 16.

Surprisingly, the Beemer is even lower at 13. But on the other hand, it might be quite expensive to tax over here. Hammond's '94 Ci would incur 817 Euros per year, although it could be upgraded with an additional catalytic converter for about 120 Euros, putting it in the Euro-2 bracket and roughly halving that sum. The Merc is rated a little lower but has even more displacement, incurring similar costs. At least they're not Diesels, because that would double or triple that figure. The Nissan costs 1/20 of that - 20 Euros a year.

The biggest worry would be repairs, I think. And to be fair, this can't be properly assessed within two weeks, as suggested on the program. Nissan offers three years of warranty on the Pixo, so that would probably be a more informative time span - slightly offset by the chance to have some freelancer maintain your 12-cyclinder while the Pixo probably needs some authorized Nissan servicing in order not to forfeit any chances on warranty repairs. As soon as either of the 12-cylinders develops a cryptic engine management malfunction or some such, you're in it up to your neck.
 
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Gave it a 9. It just earned it. Great ep'
My god, if only the sand-monsters didn't appear on the shot where the Evoque gets engulfed in sand from the back ! That would be such an epic wallpaper.
Vettel was great seriously adorable guy.
Pleaaaase Jeremy speaking German, pleaaaase.
 
This week's show was about cars. SO WHAT??? I say more shows about cars! They are awesome, and it is after all a car show. Great episode, best of the season.... so far.
 
meeen, great episode!
did not like the mclaren and ferrari review due to the fact that i think that the mclaren is actually a very exciting car!
James review on the Range Rover Evoque was brilliant! I really enjoyed that, love his humor and his comments on cars. Coming on to Vettel, he never had a really sympathic aura to me but i have to say he did great with clarkson and had some nice answers on the lips ('maybe that comes with age' was hilarious!)!
one of the funniest cheap car episodes!!!!!!
epic!
 
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