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[19x03] February 10th, 2013

[19x03] February 10th, 2013


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Makes me want an GT86 less now. :lol:

Actually it sorta reminded me of a Viagra commercial. Especially with JC shifting the gear without moving anything else.

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Race: I'm not really shocked that Clarkson lost, but I was kind of surprised that he didn't bitch and moan during the entire segment about how bad he thinks the car is.
A couple of things:
1. He was genuinely upset about the French roadworks.
2. Clarkson is less likely to complain about a faulty car if he thinks the faults give it character / personality. The Shelby Mustang's roughness would put him off buying one, but he couldn't deny that it has wide appeal.
3. About the route he took: the producers always plan the car's route to be an approximation of the equivalent time for the train. So everyone knew that the train would be slowed by the mountains (allowing the car to catch up), but the roadworks themselves were an unpleasant surprise.
 
How can he be a GM fanboy or anti-Ford if his name is "P71_CrownVic"? :p

Because the shortsighted poster saw that I drive a Silverado and immediately assumed that I was a GM fan boy...which couldn't be more wrong.

I'm not a fan boy of any brand, but it grinds my gears that a Ford with 600+HP let the entire automotive world down by losing to a stupid choo choo train. I wonder if a Camry could have won?

Jeremy choose the wrong car.
 
Because the shortsighted poster saw that I drive a Silverado and immediately assumed that I was a GM fan boy...which couldn't be more wrong.

I'm not a fan boy of any brand, but it grinds my gears that a Ford with 600+HP let the entire automotive world down by losing to a stupid choo choo train. I wonder if a Camry could have won?

Jeremy choose the wrong car.
Said poster (me) didn't even bother looking at your car, just the content of your post.

You really think the hp in the car has anything to do with why he lost the "race", in which he's following (or close to following) the speed limits? Fuel tank capacity, yes. Power, no.
 
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Anyone notice how they replicated a sequence from the SLR race in this one with the Mustang? When they show fading shots of Jeremy, the car, and a fuel pump under the same music:


Yes!
 
Had a rewatch as promised. Enjoyed the episode, and I like the variety of having an old-school race. But I didn't enjoy it any more (or less) than the first couple of episodes. The review was too short and the race was not as exciting as some of the others they have done.

Perhaps nostalgia for the race is masking these shortcomings for some? Or, of course, they just like different stuff. Who knows.
I've been thinking about this, also because I was surprised to read mainly neutral to negative reviews on this episode. I love facts and information, so I strongly dislike being fed false or misleading info for entertainment purposes. And still, I liked this episode quite a lot, because the substance was there. It was a laid back, proper and rich hour of Top Gear, not the disturbing penis-joke-fest of late. Therefore, I can forgive them not being factual here and there, as opposed to picking them apart to the atom even when they're factually correct when they make one of their "We're funny OLOLOLOLOL!!!!1!11!!" flicks.

tl;dr: I much rather watch a proper Top Gear episode with some false bits and pieces than a stupid jokefest where everything is correct.
 
3. About the route he took: the producers always plan the car's route to be an approximation of the equivalent time for the train. So everyone knew that the train would be slowed by the mountains (allowing the car to catch up), but the roadworks themselves were an unpleasant surprise.
UNLESS... They knew of the roadworks in advance...
 
I'm not a fan boy of any brand, but it grinds my gears that a Ford with 600+HP let the entire automotive world down by losing to a stupid choo choo train. I wonder if a Camry could have won?

Jeremy choose the wrong car.

Nope. He could've been in a Audi A6 3.0 TDI and won or he could've been in a Veyron Super Sport and lost.

The car's top speed is pretty irrelevant with these races. Or do you really think he went 400 kph in the Veyron-race? France has a 130 kph limit on their motorways and the local police are known for enforcing that limit. I'd be surprised if JC even went over 200 kph in any of those cross country races (execpt that stretch of Autobahn in season 06). Heck, even there he "only" went 160mph/250kph in the SLR .. could've done that in any better executive car or even in a Golf R.

Speed limits aside, it's also a question of fuel economy. Going 200+ kph will drain the fuel tank pretty quickly in any car. And come to think of it, that might have been one of the reasons he lost (others being the contraflow-sites and the lack of a fast cross-channel-ferry): The Mustang's miniscule fuel tank forced him to make too many stops.

S.
 
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Apparently its just called "Speedo" as Richard said - http://iphone.appstorm.net/roundups/25-unusual-and-inspiring-uses-for-your-iphone/

But, doesnt seem to be available on the iPhone now on app store??

In fact, the application used by Hammond is the GPSSpeed HD apps and it is still available on the app store for 1.99$ or 1.79?.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gpsspeed-hd-gps-tool-speedometer/id432156279?mt=8

I was fairly positive I'd seen someone mention that the app is still available on the iTunes store, but posted my reply when I couldn't find mention of it my second time going through the thread. Of course, today on my third pass through the thread, I find the post I was looking for. :p
 
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Very nice episode!

Also, for the first time in a long while, I was waiting for the SIARPC. For some reason, I like Amy Macdonald very much.
 
I would (of course) drop the "35 000" criteria. It's an epic race so they need an epic car.
And a 662 hp factory-built muscle car isn't somehow "epic?"
 
And a 662 hp factory-built muscle car isn't somehow "epic?"

He's Belgian. He has a completely different conception of "epic" to those of us in the civilized world, BC.
 
Great episode in general. However, I have two issues with Clarkson on this episode. Firstly, on his point about American cars, like the Ford Mustang being unrefined: he goes on and on about how unrefined a American cars are, and then he talks about how refined the Ford Focus (also American) is. Anybody else notice a bit of a disconnect there with Clarkson's thinking? He seems to think that the Europeans are so great at engineering, sure the that continent has great engineers, but so do the Americans. I wonder if Clarkson has ever pondered the engineering that went into designing the MSL mission to Mars and the Curiosity Rover and the landing process involved. They had to invent completely new technologies for that mission to Mars. Also,in the previous episode, they showed a B2 stealth bomber taking off - now that American plane is a modern marvel of engineering. Clarkson does a great job of making the Europeans seem arrogant and aloof about the accomplishments of other continents.

Secondly, Clarkson's got a lot of nerve going on about how uncivilized America is. Has he conveniently forgotten the London riots of just a few years ago? Britain didn't come off as too civilized then, did it? He's obviously never been to Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Boston, Vancouver or New York. Maybe he should pay Sheffield and Nottingham, in northern England, a visit after traveling to those American cities and get back to us. Not all Americans are dumb ignoramuses either - in a country of nearly 320 million people, you're going to find stupid and intelligent people alike. Would appreciate it if the show would quit its America bashing.

Other than those two sore points, I loved the episode, as usual. And the guest was absolutely fantastic as well.
 
1) There is no disconnect with Clarkson's thinking vis-a-vis the Focus. The European Focus is a different animal from the American one, and it has generally been more refined than the American version. The opinion that will count in this regard will be when they do the new Mondeo, since it will be virtually identical to the US Fusion.

2) There is a substantial difference between car engineering and the engineering regarding space projects. Clarkson is well-known for his love of good engineering, and for promoting engineering as a career. He's received a couple of honorary degrees for doing so.

3) Clarkson has admitted many times that two of his top five favorite cities in the world are San Francisco and New York.

4) Clarkson was born in Doncaster and grew up in the north of England. He knows.

5) Clarkson's reflexive anti-Americanism is a self-admitted exaggeration. He knows that American fans don't take him seriously.

6) You're a moron. Or a troll.
 
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1) There is no disconnect with Clarkson's thinking vis-a-vis the Focus. The European Focus is a different animal from the American one, and it has generally been more refined than the American version. The opinion that will count in this regard will be when they do the new Mondeo, since it will be virtually identical to the US Fusion.

2) There is a substantial difference between car engineering and the engineering regarding space projects. Clarkson is well-known for his love of good engineering, and for promoting engineering as a career. He's received a couple of honorary degrees for doing so.

3) Clarkson has admitted many times that two of his top five favorite cities in the world are San Francisco and New York.

4) Clarkson was born in Doncaster and grew up in the north of England. He knows.

5) Clarkson's reflexive anti-Americanism is a self-admitted exaggeration. He knows that American fans don't take him seriously.

6) You're a moron. Or a troll.


I am neither a moron nor a troll and by trying to insult me, you are either showing your age or your level of maturity. Just because I'm new, it doesn't mean that my opinions are any less valid than yours. Let's try to keep it civil next time, okay?

On your other points: Fair enough, points taken.

On the new Ford Focus though, there is virtually no difference between the European Focus and the American.
 
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I am neither a moron nor a troll

You sure come across as both.

and by trying to insult me, you are either showing your age or your level of maturity.

Who said I was merely trying to insult you?

Just because I'm new, it doesn't mean that my opinions are any less valid than yours.

No, your opinions are less valid because they're wrong. And do you really think you're the first person to make these particular accusations? By the way, the way you stated them, you didn't express them as opinions. You stated them as fact.

Let's try to keep it civil next time, okay?

You'll find out that if I do so, it'd be a first for me here. And I don't plan on breaking my streak.

On your other points: Fair enough, points taken.

So you admit that you went off without knowing what you were talking about. A little research here could have disabused you of those notions.

On the new Ford Focus though, there is virtually no difference between the European Focus and the American.

Yes, there is. Engines, for one.
 
I would (of course) drop the "35 000" criteria. It's an epic race so they need an epic car.
Well, the point of introducing the cost limit for the car, as explained in the episode, was that the car has always won these races so far, so they intended to make the car fight with one hand tied to the back to make the race more difficult for it. Of course, as demonstrated in the piece, getting loats of horsepower for little money is still possible, and horsepower doesn't really decide who wins either. Therefore this cost limit is more or less window dressing, but the idea still stands.

Great episode in general. However, I have two issues with Clarkson on this episode. Firstly, on his point about American cars, like the Ford Mustang being unrefined: he goes on and on about how unrefined a American cars are, and then he talks about how refined the Ford Focus (also American) is. Anybody else notice a bit of a disconnect there with Clarkson's thinking? He seems to think that the Europeans are so great at engineering, sure the that continent has great engineers, but so do the Americans. I wonder if Clarkson has ever pondered the engineering that went into designing the MSL mission to Mars and the Curiosity Rover and the landing process involved. They had to invent completely new technologies for that mission to Mars. Also,in the previous episode, they showed a B2 stealth bomber taking off - now that American plane is a modern marvel of engineering. Clarkson does a great job of making the Europeans seem arrogant and aloof about the accomplishments of other continents.

Secondly, Clarkson's got a lot of nerve going on about how uncivilized America is. Has he conveniently forgotten the London riots of just a few years ago? Britain didn't come off as too civilized then, did it? He's obviously never been to Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Boston, Vancouver or New York. Maybe he should pay Sheffield and Nottingham, in northern England, a visit after traveling to those American cities and get back to us. Not all Americans are dumb ignoramuses either - in a country of nearly 320 million people, you're going to find stupid and intelligent people alike. Would appreciate it if the show would quit its America bashing.
I don't want to go into the details, so here are my 2c: I work for the German branch of an American company. We both develop products for our individual markets, and naturally, we also share products from time to time. Now, the majority of American products we are asked to introduce to the German market needed at least a major makeover, sometimes a complete rebuild. The reasons mostly are quality and useability issues.

The American products we get always look good on the outside, have nice surfaces and a good feature list, but when you take them in your hands and start to use them, you notice that there is little substance behind the surface. As a conclusion, it appears to me that a "quality product" to an American is something which has a lot of good features and looks good. In contrast, a "quality product" for a European (speaking for the Germans here) is something which is built well in every single detail and also down to the very core. It doesn't need to have an endless feature list, but when you use it, you must feel it was engineered from the ground up to be a quality product, and that a lot of thought has gone into even the tiniest detail.

That is what Clarkson is on about when he criticises America. He criticises that things look good on the surface, but start to fall apart (figuratively) as soon as you lay a hand on them. That there is no substance behind the shiny surface. That of course does not expand to all branches of engineering, and also he does not say that Americans are not able to engineer quality products. But it applies to many products of daily life. Let's stay with the Ford Mustang as an example. I personally know two people who have had the current V8 Mustang as a car. Both said that it has a lot of power, which is nice. And then, both sold the car much sooner than they initially intended to, because they said it is so hard to control on a wet road even if you just want to drive normally that they were too scared to do so, which in turn meant that they didn't want to live with that car. So on the surface, you get a car with loads of power for little money, which seems very attractive to any car enthusiast. Nonetheless, if it turns out that you can not really use that power and that it is rather disturbing than helping in daily traffic, there is little point in having that car. As a product for the European market, the Mustang would never have seen the light of day, simply because it is not refined enough for the European market. That is exactly what Clarkson concluded.
 
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