flyingfridge
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grange is statesman/caprice based, senator is calais based.
flyingfridge said:grange is statesman/caprice based, senator is calais based.
BlitzR said:HSV have never really had big leaps in power
215 kW(VR-VS) 220 kW(VT series1) 250kW(VT Series 2),255kW(VX),260kW(VY),285kW(VY Series 2) 297 kW (VZ) excluding the GTS models.
andyhui01 said:I thought it was the other way around... I've seen Senators in Statesman bodies as well as grange... maybe I just confused myself :lol:flyingfridge said:grange is statesman/caprice based, senator is calais based.
andyhui01 said:I thought it was the other way around... I've seen Senators in Statesman bodies as well as grange... maybe I just confused myself :lol:flyingfridge said:grange is statesman/caprice based, senator is calais based.
andyhui01 said:watto said:andyhui01 said:I thought it was the other way around... I've seen Senators in Statesman bodies as well as grange... maybe I just confused myself :lol:flyingfridge said:grange is statesman/caprice based, senator is calais based.
Yes, you have been confusing yourself andy :lol: The Grange is the big f**k off pimp model, whereas the Senator has only ever been a pimped up Calais...
yup... then its the Grange that I really like... that can be put beside a Brabus S-class and still look nice
watto said:I've never been too keen on the Grange's looks. I always think HSV have tried too hard with it... Plus I wouldn't be willing to pay almost 100k for an HSV.
fbc said:watto said:I've never been too keen on the Grange's looks. I always think HSV have tried too hard with it... Plus I wouldn't be willing to pay almost 100k for an HSV.
Agreed - the Grange needs to be subtle, but no matter how good it looked, I just couldn't ever justify paying $100k for something based off a Commodore (no matter how modified it is). Or a Falcon / Camry / Magna for that matter.
andyhui01 said:fbc said:watto said:I've never been too keen on the Grange's looks. I always think HSV have tried too hard with it... Plus I wouldn't be willing to pay almost 100k for an HSV.
Agreed - the Grange needs to be subtle, but no matter how good it looked, I just couldn't ever justify paying $100k for something based off a Commodore (no matter how modified it is). Or a Falcon / Camry / Magna for that matter.
but isn't the Grange a LWB of the statesman? Obviously the price tag is ridiculous, explains why I've only seen 1 after being in Australia for a year and abit more...
Don't hold your breath. The only reason there was such a big power leap was because they went from the old 5.0l holden to the GenIII Chevy 5.7 block. Or did they have the GenIII to begin with VT? I doubt they would have with 220kW.BlitzR said:But I'm expecting a big power leap on E-series II much like VT to VT II where the GTS went from 220 kW to 300kW.
Jamesd said:Don't hold your breath. The only reason there was such a big power leap was because they went from the old 5.0l holden to the GenIII Chevy 5.7 block. Or did they have the GenIII to begin with VT? I doubt they would have with 220kW.BlitzR said:But I'm expecting a big power leap on E-series II much like VT to VT II where the GTS went from 220 kW to 300kW.
You're right actually, they used the storked 5L and then they got the GenIII in series 2.Deanodriver said:Jamesd said:Don't hold your breath. The only reason there was such a big power leap was because they went from the old 5.0l holden to the GenIII Chevy 5.7 block. Or did they have the GenIII to begin with VT? I doubt they would have with 220kW.BlitzR said:But I'm expecting a big power leap on E-series II much like VT to VT II where the GTS went from 220 kW to 300kW.
I think the VT series 1 used the stroked 5.0L (stroked to 5.7L), and the VT2 used the LS1, I think it could have been the Callaway LS1 in the GTS.