2020 Land Rover Defender - or why I don't trust sensors off road

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I don't watch him, someone sent me the video. His delivery is grating, to say the least, and he's failing at being funny or entertaining - but I couldn't find any other place with that particular story.
 

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You couldn't make it up. MotorTrend also gave the Defender an award. All I hoped for was a competent 4x4.
 

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MotorTrend is in the pocket of automakers, they rarely say anything bad about a vehicle - and when they do, it's a minor "niggle" complaint to give the article an air of authenticity.
 

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This is the bit that gets me

This was my 9th Land Rover so the “idiosyncrasies” of the brand in the realm of reliability was a reality I was all too familiar with.

How many vehicles in should you get before deciding a manufacturer selling you sumptuously appointed, nice sounding, expensive-feeling crap is crap and that perhaps sacrificing some of its uniquess at the altar or durability and reliability is worth it?
 

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I've been seeing tons of them on the road around here. Perfect for the urban jungle.
 

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The way I've heard it described is "the best Discovery they've built in years". The major complaint about the current Defender is that it doesn't fill the role of the old one, it's just another "Meh"-sized luxury SUV, just like three-quarters of the Land Rover/Range Rover lineup.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it!

I've seen a few, I'd still certainly pick it over the current Discovery if I had a gun to my head.
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I am giving him a chance. Mostly because the first thing he did after getting his bearings was fire their design chief and then their sales and marketing boss.

He's making all the right noises at the very least, which is more than it can be said for some of his precursors.
 

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The way I've heard it described is "the best Discovery they've built in years". The major complaint about the current Defender is that it doesn't fill the role of the old one, it's just another "Meh"-sized luxury SUV, just like three-quarters of the Land Rover/Range Rover lineup.
I've seen a couple in the wild, certainly not being driven by the Clyde Tunnel maintenance team or farmers like the old Defenders were!

I say that, but to be honest most of the Series/OG Defenders I see are either being driven by the hardcore off-road guys or hipsters... Most folk needing a practical 4x4 go for a Japanese pickup, the old Defender was just too basic and too expensive. I imagine the new Defender will sell quite well to people wanting to stand out on the school run, despite JLR's best efforts to make it hideously unreliable.
 

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Spoiler: The Land Rover made it less than a minute past the first obstacle before they abandoned it.
 
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They had to borrow a set of wheels and tires from Land Rover to go get it down. That boulder obstacle is pretty hairy, but it's not what ultimately stopped the Defender.
 
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