MattMan
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It's like you're saying people are dying in the streets left and right in US from people not getting treatment. ER's have to treat people period, with or without insurance. And don't tell me about the ER lines, that is date and location dependent. So, don't pretend that they're carting off thousands of poor bodies. It's exaggerated, you'll have similar cases in countries with socialized medicine as well. Go, on, read the bill, I think you'll be surprised. Plus, 2 week deadline for a bill that will take 4 years to fully implement? Please, read this thing, discuss and improve the bill.
Also, read the issues on the elderly, scary stuff. They're giving out pain meds instead of treatment, because they are no longer deemed worthy of any operation due to the Spartan like manner of letting the old die out and give it to the slightly younger.
Sorry guys, no thanks, too much knowledge and wisdom are with the Elderly. I won't let the government tell my Grandparents they get all the meds they want, but no care. You say we're scared of communism, well the government allowing older people to die because they won't utilize a pacemaker as well as a younger person.........my ass. This is where it crosses the line.
35 million uninsured (the 45 million they keep saying include 10 million illegal immigrants who would receive health care as well under this bill). Fine, make a plan for them, don't force it down a country's throat with 304 + million. Especially when the country is overburdened with a growing debt. Obama is doing nothing more than carrying on Bush's work of running up the bill with failed stimulus and a health care program that can be focused on the needy, instead of vast majority who are taken care of with GREAT medical technologies (yes we treat world leaders here when their life is on the line....sorry). You think Obama is that different from Bush on economics and health care?
Also, read the issues on the elderly, scary stuff. They're giving out pain meds instead of treatment, because they are no longer deemed worthy of any operation due to the Spartan like manner of letting the old die out and give it to the slightly younger.
Elderly Hardest Hit
Daschle says health-care reform ?will not be pain free.? Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).
The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle?s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.
In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.
Sorry guys, no thanks, too much knowledge and wisdom are with the Elderly. I won't let the government tell my Grandparents they get all the meds they want, but no care. You say we're scared of communism, well the government allowing older people to die because they won't utilize a pacemaker as well as a younger person.........my ass. This is where it crosses the line.
35 million uninsured (the 45 million they keep saying include 10 million illegal immigrants who would receive health care as well under this bill). Fine, make a plan for them, don't force it down a country's throat with 304 + million. Especially when the country is overburdened with a growing debt. Obama is doing nothing more than carrying on Bush's work of running up the bill with failed stimulus and a health care program that can be focused on the needy, instead of vast majority who are taken care of with GREAT medical technologies (yes we treat world leaders here when their life is on the line....sorry). You think Obama is that different from Bush on economics and health care?
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