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Americans find Top Gear too biased?

Z Draci

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Every so often, I read about an American getting insulted by a review on a Top Gear episode. Why?

For starters, Clarkson bought a new Ford GT. He knew full well it was built in the US and that it has a truck engine. He didn't care because he thought it was a good car. If he hated American cars so much, he would have just bought a DB9 for a bit more.
Hammond has a Dodge Charger and loves it for what it is.
Yes, they sure hate American cars. They hate them so much that they'd spend their own personal money to buy one AND drive them every day.

I really believe Top Gear is not biased against American cars. They have just become so tired of inferior American cars that they have simply given up hope. You know what I mean. Americans are obsessed over cost cutting and increasing profits at any costs. (i.e. out-sourcing and hiring of illegal immigrant workers) This is why the cream of the crop Corvette and Viper are under-engineered and incomplete cars. They may be able to do one thing very well, but not others.

Of course, there are those that give one or two exceptions to the rule. If you do that, people will present more than one or two examples from every other country in the world. There hasn't been enough of great American cars that has really caught the attention of the world.
Corvette? Viper? Even Japan has THREE icons--Skyline, Supra, NSX. Let's not even begin European countries . . . TVR alone has more icons than that!

Top Gear is a show that doesn't promote mediocrisy. One does not get an "A" for effort on this show. If you don't completely blow away the presenters, one will not get noticed.

Clarkson has repeatedly bashed on every single car company out there. He points out flaws in cars like his beloved DB7 or masterpieces like the SLR. Based on what Americans have been producing in the past, he thinks every new American car will follow suit. He is waiting for an American car that will completely change his attitude towards them. Obviously the most recent American cars weren't enough to change their minds. (Obviously the Ford GT wasn't enough. Maybe Saleen should send over one of their new creations huh?)

Americans also need to understand that there is a whole different world outside of their borders. People have different tastes and have different standards. Something that is loved and cherished in the US can be completely useless in another country. A Mustang or a Corvette may be completely good in America, but can be pointless to own in the UK. Those cars cost substantially more and cost more to insure/maintain. A lot of the cars in the US aren't sold in the UK either (and for good reasons).

Also, Americans aren't used to the blunt humour that is presented on the show. This kind of humour is pretty common in Europe. You can hear a group of men all from different countries poking fun at each other's countries and laughing about it. If you even joke about an American, they will get so defensive that a brawl can soon break out (as well as a lawsuit for the damages created by your comments :D )

I hope I didn't upset anybody with the last few comments. These are only my little opinions. Nothing to get exciting about!
 
Re: Americans find Top Gear too biased?

Z Draci said:
These are only my little opinions. Nothing to get exciting about!

I think you with those little opinions expressed the ideas of many of us, who just weren't bothered to write so much. I know that was my case. That, and not being able to express myself like that in english.
So, to you, sir, :thumbup:
 
:clap: Well said, I was getting tired of people bitching.

If he hated American cars so much, he would have just bought a DB9 for a bit more.
Actually, in Britain the DB9 is around 30,000 pounds cheaper than the GT.

This is why the cream of the crop Corvette and Viper are under-engineered and incomplete cars.
I wouldn't say that. The corvette has always been a bargain sports car, and when you compare the price to what it's capable of it's amazing. And the Viper is a car you can't slide, but those crazy brits want to get everything sideways. :lol: So they say it has awful handling. :p Oh well

Americans also need to understand that there is a whole different world outside of their borders.
WHAT?!? YOU LIE!!!! :p

Also, Americans aren't used to the blunt humour that is presented on the show.
British humor is great, it's very dry though. I love it, but some people just don't seem to get it.
 
I could also see yanks being upset by the constant FAT comments, but honestly...when ford announces they plan to release a new lineup of cars, which look the same as the others, but are designed to accomodate the 300-600 pounders that country is famous for...something is wrong.

also.yanks need to lighten up and embrace the thrashing that japan europe...and dare i say...korea is giving them. because it will force their car companies to improve or die...

and finally you should have included the RX's and the Z's on your list of japanese icons...they deserve no less!
 
Re: Americans find Top Gear too biased?

Z Draci said:
Americans also need to understand that there is a whole different world outside of their borders. People have different tastes and have different standards. Something that is loved and cherished in the US can be completely useless in another country. A Mustang or a Corvette may be completely good in America, but can be pointless to own in the UK. Those cars cost substantially more and cost more to insure/maintain. A lot of the cars in the US aren't sold in the UK either (and for good reasons).
Well, I think American car companies have realized this a long time ago.
I think that's why they (or their parent companies) own a lot of foreign car brands.
Rather than trying to alter their domestic cars to appease both domestic and overseas markets, I think they're content with designing domestic brands primarily for the domestic market, and letting their foreign owned brands design for their foreign markets.
I don't think they're trying hard at all to accomodate domestic brands for overseas markets.

(OK you can shoot me for using the words 'domestic', 'foreign' and 'market' too much)
 
Z_Draci said:
Clarkson has repeatedly bashed on every single car company out there.

well... thats what he does best and the jokes he makes on them just make us love the show... honestly, TopGear has become more of an Entertainment program compared to a car program, if you or I wanted serious advice for a car, I don't think you'll be looking at TopGear, you'll probably watch it to see what Clarkson bashed about your car instead of the good things he said about it
 
Re: Americans find Top Gear too biased?

ESPNSTI said:
(OK you can shoot me for using the words 'domestic', 'foreign' and 'market' too much)

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andyhui01 said:
if you or I wanted serious advice for a car, I don't think you'll be looking at TopGear, you'll probably watch it to see what Clarkson bashed about your car instead of the good things he said about it

If money wouldnt be a obstacle I would straight follow Top Gears suggestions. When it comes to cars I personally cant think straight but go with my heart. But since money is a obstacle I cant follow my dreams :(
 
Thanks for not starting a flame war here!

GM owns controlling bids in Saab, Subaru, Opel, Volvo, and a few others while completely owning Chevrolet and Cadillac. Except for the last two, I don't think GM has anything to do with their subsidaries other than approve funding and aide. Since they weren't completely bought out (they only have 40-60% of stock shares), the original employees are still there. Even though they are partially American funded, they are still of European and Japanese origin. "If you can't win 'em, join 'em!" Or in this instance, buy their stocks!

The American car market is the biggest in the world. If American car companies can make profit in their own market, I don't see a reason for them to bother catering to other markets. Everybody is projecting that Toyota will have majority share of the market in a few years . . . so they better try harder if they want to prevent this from happening!

Ford has a separate European division that develops only for the European market. Cars like the Focus, Ka, Mondeo, etc are examples of their work. Only the Focus managed to cross the pond and earned very high ratings! This shows the difference of standards here and there.
 
You're preaching to the choir Draci. :mrgreen:

I don't think you'll find much opposition the Top Gear tendencies on a site devoted to Top Gear.

Post it on a Corvette forum and see what reaction you get. :twisted:
 
Except the American car manufacturers DON'T make money selling cars in America. This last quarter GM the compamy lost ~1.5 billion dollars, but without the cash from the financing arm (GMAC) they would have lost 4+ billion.

As far as Draci's comment about brand purity, look at the 'saabaru' 9-2X (WRX dressed as a Saab). On the other side of the aisle, look at the Volvo S-40, which shares significat parts of its platform with the Mazda 3 and the Euro-Focus. :(

I've got a friend that works at GM Powertrain, and let me tell you: With a few exceptions, EVERY domestic GM division (GMC Chevy Pontiac Caddy Saturn Buick etc) shares powertrain parts and engineering from the same place. The days of division rivalry and seperate staffs are long gone. I'm annoyed that Saturn is now trying to sell us a warmed-over Opel (the L200) as an in-house car.

The only real moneymakers currently are the pickup truck/SUV lines, and the Japanese are competing there, so who knows how long that'll continue...

Sorry for the off-topic rant, Americans are too thin-skinned to appreciate the dry british humor, and plus Clarkson is a HUGE Brit car maker apologist; I can't wait for his goings on about the demise of Rover... :mrgreen:

(edit) Ooh, no. I've just read Clarkson's Times article, and he won't miss Rover at all, apparently. http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1580901_1,00.html
 
thanks for the link topgear about clarkson vs rover accusations.
 
I know for a fact that GM is slowly ruining Saab, but now that Bob Lutz is gone things aren't so bad anymore. That's a topic for another time though.

As for American cars, Clarkson said it best, "the ideal american car is of course a big sofa."

I've consigned myself to buying european cars for the rest of my life. :lol:
 
I wish GM didn't own Holden.

Holden's one of the few companies making them money and what happens. They take the monaro away from us.
 
At least you get their magnificent LS-series V8 from GM!
In my opinion, it's one of the best engines in the world. If you can find a dyno graph of it, you'd be amazed at how flat the curves are. Driving a car with one is even more amazing.
 
Z Draci: Top gear has poked fun at American cars, but I don't think anyone takes it seriously. There are plenty of TV shows in the US that even poke fun at American/Domestic cars.

All my car enthusiast friends watch top gear, and we all love it. Of course they make fun of American cars, but it's all part of the entertainment. Top Gear would not be as fun to watch if they didn't talk a little trash about American cars and cornering, or slam bmws & rover. It's all part of the show.
 
Raven18940 said:
I know for a fact that GM is slowly ruining Saab, but now that Bob Lutz is gone things aren't so bad anymore. That's a topic for another time though.

Bob Lutz is gone? That's news to me. :huh:

Seriously though, I'm really fed-up with the negativity Saab has been recieving in the last few years since being full-acquired by GM. Everyday I hear stories and blogs saying "Oooh, GM is killing Saab! GM = The Devil!" to the clueless statements like "Saab contributes nothing to GM, just kill the brand already!" If GM really wants Saab to be taken seriously, kill the stupid rebadged TrailBlazer and WRX wagon from their lineup and deliver the damn Saab-engineered products that they had promised. Hello? Where's the all-wheel-drive 9-3x? And the 9X sports car, did it got the greenlight?

Sorry for hijacking the thread. GM and Saab management needs to pull their heads out their asses and realize they are alienating their loyal customers and die-hard fanatics in droves.
 
the yanks have been stealing platforms from their other divisions for ever...the escort from 2 generations ago was a mazda protge...tha catara was an opel. the americans got so far behind in the engeneering game, that it is now cheaper to buy up the competition than it would be for them to fire their "pushrods are good" teams, and replace them with ppl who know what DHOC stands for.

Chevy, Ford and Chrysler claim they are going to move away from this current effort of rebadging everything from japan and europe and start making real domestic products...but the truth is that they have completely lost their hard earned "Brand Identitys" which they worked so hard for in the 50s, 60's and early 70's.

the retro comeback is an atempt to recover what was lost...but it is not working...and diluting it even more. meanwhile european and japanise manufactures are trudging ahead...in both technology and brand identity.
 
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