An European wants a modern American Muscle Car - Which one to buy ?

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If he still wants a Mustang there are importers in Germany.
 

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You just described my cousin. He is saving up to buy a E36 318is and he wants to put an LPG system so it will be cheap to run...what's the point of having a BMW coupe that will get overtaken by Dacias.

Luckily the E30 318iS is the dog's bollocks, a 140hp 16-valve engine in a light&pretty German RWD car. The E36 is a lot more... Vectra-like.
 

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Well, I did specify that he wants the E36. Over the years, and with the LPG installed...I reckon it would have about 80-90whp.
 

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Yep. Well, it's his fault wanting the E36.. :p
 

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Well, I did specify that he wants the E36. Over the years, and with the LPG installed...I reckon it would have about 80-90whp.

So he wants to spend a pile of cash to convert it to LPG, which will then get better mileage to the point of breaking even on the conversion a number of years down the road. At which point he will have inevitably grown bored and want rid of the car, or find himself spending a ton of money on upkeep or some big ticket part that's broken to keep the car going.
 

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It won't get better mileage, it's just that natural gas is cheaper.
The conversion will cost him around $1000, which he doesn't have. He can't even afford the E36 itself.

With that said, it probably would be more reliable than his current Alfa 33.
 

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I would say Mustang, as Ford has a higher presence than GM or Chrysler in Europe.

BTW, if you ever see a Nissan Altima in your area, chance are it came from the dealership I work at. ;)
 
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Well it's not technically an "American" muscle car, but he should consider the Pontiac GTO. I don't know what it would take to import one, but they are a fantastic car and would blend in to a European car park a lot more nicely than a Camaro or Mustang. AND, if he was so inclined, with some bigger fuel injectors and a little tuning, the GTO can run on E85 bio fuel. It's actually built into the factory computer tuning to be able to run on it.
 

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It isn't retro. Which he stated is a requirement.
 

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I sure hope they haven't opened any E85 pumps in Serbia lately!

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Our experiment with E85 increased emissions of carbon dioxide with 20 million tonnes over 10 years compared to petrol. It was a political experiment brought about by clever lobbyists from Ford, who dribbled away politicians with fantasy ideas. I hate E85 with all my heart.

Luckily the company making E85 is about to go bankrupt.
 
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Agreed, ethanol gas is shit.
 

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I wish the 2011 Mustang was in the official import program here. Even if it isn't, you can still get one as a grey import, I guess, but it's a lot of hassle compared to just walking to a Ford dealership.
 

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I only brought up E85 because I saw some earlier meniton of alternative fuels. I personally have only intended to use E85 as cheap race gas. But it's hard to avoid ethanol in the Midwest. You will drive yourself mad looking for a petrol station that sells 93 octane WITHOUT 10% ethanol. The best I can find is 91 octane unless you go to a town with a racetrack.

I also missed the part about requiring a retro car. Sorry about that!
 

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*Haven't read anything besides the op*

Did you just say that your friend is buying a muscle car, but doesn't care about power? Does he have any idea where the term "Muscle" in muscle car comes from?
 

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I drove a '07 Mustang GT 4,6 Convertible the other day, and I must admit it was somehow a very enjoyable car.

First of all though, like most american musclecars, it's crap. Technically it doesn't stack up to a modern european car, and the same can be said about the interior, which mostly reminded me of a Kia Picanto (even though the Mustang had red "leather"-seats). The dynamics of the car are...well...non-existant really, and the comfort isn't that great either. But of course, all those things are not important. A lazy american musclecar is all about cruising down a long, straight open road, listening to - preferably - the V8 in the front. Yummy!

We don't have mountains in Denmark, so our roads are actually perfectly suitable for a Mustang, Camaro or whatever. The problem is, that long, wide and straight roads are otherwise pretty rare in many other regions of Europe, also in Serbia I guess. The size of the car could become an issue in the long run.

I don't think a Mustang would work as a car to use every day in most european countries. It's just too vulgar and thirsty and...american. Then there's the price. Someone mentioned that you could get a slightly used Mustang for 30K USD in Americaland. In comparison, the car I got to drive had about 30.000 miles on the clock, and still you'd have to pay just over 100.000 (!) dollars to get your hands on it on danish plates. I doubt it's that expensive in Serbia, but frankly, if your friend isn't interested in raw muscle-power anyways, there are a LOT of better alternatives.
 

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*Haven't read anything besides the op*

Did you just say that your friend is buying a muscle car, but doesn't care about power? Does he have any idea where the term "Muscle" in muscle car comes from?

I guess he's into the retro-american-look of the cars, he's an older guy, so he doesn't care much about the performance, he's not about to race anyone on ( our bumpy, potholed ) street, and we don't have any racetracks,
so, some V8 or tuned version wouldn't get any real use.

If I were buying a car now, I'd probably go for a Subaru Forester, so please don't ask me about someone else's philosophy of car ownership, because I simply don't know,
I just offered to ask the people on this forum for advice, because I'm a member for three years now, and my friend isn't much into internet, or forums, or english language.
 

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I guess he's into the retro-american-look of the cars, he's an older guy, so he doesn't care much about the performance, he's not about to race anyone on ( our bumpy, potholed ) street, and we don't have any racetracks,
so, some V8 or tuned version wouldn't get any real use.

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It was a political experiment brought about by clever lobbyists from Ford, who dribbled away politicians with fantasy ideas. I hate E85 with all my heart.

Oh, you too? Except here it is not Ford, but farming lobbyists. It is stupid and inefficient.
 
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