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Audi Le Mans Racer in diesel form!!

dodgey

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Hey all,

Our nightly sports roundup on tv (Sports Tonight on Channel 10) here just had a quick story about Audi running a diesel in next year's Le Mans race.

Does anyone have more info about it? My google search just comes up with rumours but nothing concrete.

:)
 
Selon nos derni?res informations, AUDI pr?pare un V10 double-turbo, carburant au Diesel, pour les 24 heures du Mans 2006. Les R8, victorieuses ? r?p?tition ces derni?res ann?es, en seraient ?quip?es et prendraient la d?nomination de R10. Champion Racing, ?curie am?ricaine victorieurse en 2005, alignerait deux de ces R10 en 2006! Les pilotes ne sont pas connus ? ce jour, mais il est probable que Emmanuelle Pirro et Tom Kristensen viseront une nouvelle victoire record au volant d'une de ces R10!

rough translation:
our latest information is that audi is perparing a carburated V10 twin turbo diesel engine to participate at le mans. the R8, which already won several editions will be equiped with it and be named R10. Champion racing will allign 2 at the grid in 2006. it's still unknown who the drivers will be, but probably Emmanuell Pirro and Tom kristenses
 
Autoblog.com

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At first glance, the R10 looks very similar to its R8 predecessor. However, the innovations in the new car go far beyond its V12 turbo-diesel powerplant.

There are significant changes and innovations throughout the car, including

chassis and bodywork
dimensions
aerodynamics
electronics
cockpit
transmission
cooling
chassis dynamics
brakes


Chassis and bodywork: The R8 had a traditional chassis with separate bodywork design. This has been replaced in the R10 with a Formula 1-like integration of the carbon fiber monocoque with the body - eliminating the need for separate bodywork to smooth the aerodynamics of the car. The result is a significant weight saving, which partly makes up for the weight of the 5.5-liter diesel compared to the 3.8-liter V8 it replaces.

The modular design of the R8 chassis, which allowed lightning-fast repair of the rear end of the R8, has been extended on the R10 to include the front of the car and access to the front suspension.

Dimensions: The V12 is considerably longer than the V8 it replaces, which necessitates a longer wheelbase for the R10.

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Aerodynamics: The new Le Mans regulations for LMP1 cars were intended to slow the speed of the cars, in part by reducing downforce by about 15 percent, through restrictions on front splitter design, ride height, wings, etc. Audi says they have been able to recover ?the majority? of the new car?s aero efficiency through an extensive wind tunnel program. Despite the demands of the larger engine and cooling system, the new car?s profile is 5 cm lower than the R8?s.

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Looking at the car, a number of aero features are evident. The high, ?stepped? front splitter is a response to the regulations. Moving rearward, it?s evident that the car is much more dramatically ?waisted? than the R8, with a narrower, more pointed nose and an even more pronounced gap between the sidepods and the nose and cockpit areas. The car now has even more of a ?formula car with pontoons? appearance.

The 2-seat cockpit required by the requlations now has to accomodate the HANS driver safety system, as well as separate rollover structures for the driver and the hypothetical passenger - the latter intended by the rulesmakers to reduce aero efficiency and slow the cars. In an interesting interpretation of the rules, Audi has adopted an innovative ?rollover pylon? design to replace the traditional roll-hoop - undoubtedly with aero benefits.

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Following current F1 practice, the rear bodywork is now the minimum required to wrap around the engine and transmission, and seems, visually at least, to be dramatically lower than the R8. Certainly, from the cockpit rearward a tremendous amount has been done to get the regulation rear wing in clean air, to derive the maximum possible efficiency. The rear view shows the clever use of the wing endplates, which kick in to merge with the rear bodywork behind the wheels, thus creating with the tail of the sidepods what is in effect a downforce-creating plane parallel to the wing.

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Electronics: The R10 makes greater use of onboard computers to control its major systems than did the R8, with all important functions computer-controlled over a CAN-bus network. This simplifies cockpit design, with fewer function-specific switches (for headlights, as an example).

Cockpit: The need to keep the cockpit area as narrow as possible for aerodynamics, while still allowing the driver to work at peak efficiency for long periods, puts considerable emphasis on cockpit design. With a relatively high pedal box, similar to an F1 car, plus the low profile of the bodywork, there is little room for the steering wheel. Audi?s minimalist interpretation of a drag-racer?s ?butterfly? wheel is the result. The wheel integrates a multifunction display and control system, and the shift paddles for the electro-pneumatic gear shift. Electric power steering replaces the R8?s hydraulic system.

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Note the large row of shift lights placed as high on the wheel as possible. The diesel engine is said to be so quiet that the driver is unable to hear it at speed. Coupled with the engine?s much lower powerband than a gasoline V8, the driver will rely much more on the shift lights to tell him when to shift.

Transmission: The X-trac gearbox manages to accomodate the tremendous torque of the diesel while still being lighter than its R8 counterpart. No word on the number of gears - perhaps the wide powerband and low-end torque of the diesel allowed X-trac to save a gear? That would help account for the weight saving. A special ceramic clutch was developed to accomodate the engine, along with stronger rear axles.

Cooling: The V12 diesel requires greater cooling than the V8, resulting in larger radiators mounted inside higher sidepods, for a weight and aero penalty.

Chassis dynamics: The long wheelbase, coupled with the huge thrust of the diesel engine, would tend to make the understeering tendencies of a sports prototype almost unmanageable. Audi is dealing with this problem with specially-commissioned wide tread front tires, giving more front-end grip, although with an aerodynamic penalty through wider sidepods. Braking performance should benefit as well.

The huge torque of the engine would make it very difficult for the driver to modulate the throttle in low grip situations (rain, debris on the track), a problem which Audi manages with a traction control system.

Brakes: As in a modern F1 car, the carbon fiber brake disks are completely enclosed in an aerodynamic shroud, fed with cooling air by carbon-fiber ducting mounted on the suspension. (No more dramatic night-time views of glowing brake disks?)

As you can see, the design of a state-of-the-art sports car is a challenging system engineering problem, balancing conflicting requirements to come up with an integrated ?system of systems.? In the recent past, nobody has been better at this than Audi. It should be interesting to see the R10 perform! Sebring is 3 months away?

[Source: Audi]
 
Reminds me of the Opel Diesel race car that when it was running continually on an oval got something silly like 90 MPG.
 
bone said:
rough translation:
our latest information is that audi is perparing a carburated V10 twin turbo diesel engine to participate at le mans. the R8, which already won several editions will be equiped with it and be named R10. Champion racing will allign 2 at the grid in 2006. it's still unknown who the drivers will be, but probably Emmanuell Pirro and Tom kristenses

there must be a different word for what was translated to carburated, because a diesel can only be fuel injected.
 
Thanks all, Tom Kristenses was the driver in the clip they were interviewing.

:)
 
in audi. com there is a feed of the launch in Paris
 
burnsy said:
...there must be a different word for what was translated to carburated, because a diesel can only be fuel injected.

:shock: Oh really? What planet is this on? :p
 
Wonder why they're using diesel. Perhaps better economy so that they don't have to pit as often?
 
looks ugly, the last one looked much better.
 
Viper007Bond said:
Wonder why they're using diesel. Perhaps better economy so that they don't have to pit as often?

As Audi would say "It is a challenge that we want to take on" ;).
 
burnsy said:
bone said:
rough translation:
our latest information is that audi is perparing a carburated V10 twin turbo diesel engine to participate at le mans. the R8, which already won several editions will be equiped with it and be named R10. Champion racing will allign 2 at the grid in 2006. it's still unknown who the drivers will be, but probably Emmanuell Pirro and Tom kristenses

there must be a different word for what was translated to carburated, because a diesel can only be fuel injected.

good point

maybe "carburant au Diesel" also means that it just runs on diesel


@ianspeed: in petrol you have your mixture ready before it enters the cylinder, with diesel, you compress pure air, and on maximum compression, you add the diesel so it explodes. and a carb can't handle pressure/compression
 
At least they won't have to refuel much, or this will allow them to refuel like last 5 mins of the race.
 
now it'll sound like a tractor
 
bartboy9891 said:
looks ugly, the last one looked much better.
It's a freakin race car for ef's sake, it's not a beauty contest entry car! :?
 
Anyone with access to press pics at Audi can post the high res pics?
 
pdanev said:
bartboy9891 said:
looks ugly, the last one looked much better.
It's a freakin race car for ef's sake, it's not a beauty contest entry car! :?
i know that. but unlike many race cars, the audi was easily one of the best looking. i'm just pointing out that this is no longer so.
 
justin syder said:
Anyone with access to press pics at Audi can post the high res pics?

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All studio pictures, before last is from paris, last one is prototype during track testing.
 
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