HuevosRancheros
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good write up Spectre, agree 100%
Does military action count?So, has anyone in this thread actually ever killed someone?
So, has anyone in this thread actually ever killed someone?
Yes. It was a car thief who I confronted in the middle of stealing one of my Jags about 6 years ago. He was half in the shattered window of my car, doing god knows what inside. He refused to obey my command to surrender and went for his back pocket with his left hand. I shot him until he stopped trying to go for his pocket and fell over, then called the police. Police came, found that he'd died from his wounds and had a .380 pistol (illegally possessed, they never found out where he got it but it wasn't legal) in his back pocket, DA declined to press charges and said it was self-defense and defense of property.
I have no regrets about shooting the a*****e. He had a long record of burglaries and felony assaults. Apparently he'd decided to move up to "the big leagues" and go for car theft and murder.
The only regret I had (at the time, aside from the tons and tons of paperwork and the days of answering police/DA questions) was that the bastard splashed all over the car. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get blood out of Connolly leather and Wilton wool?
1) don't use a shotgun for home defense. There's a signifcant chance that you'll get it ripped out of your hands moving through your house and have it used against you. There's a reason room entry leads carry handguns in most cases.
2) Revolvers are your friends. They are simple, easy to use, have long trigger pulls to help overcome adrenaline, and can be loaded with big fat flat pointed bullets which minimize the ability to shoot your own family/friends/neighbors through walls. My recommendation is the biggest bore you can manage (for example, .44 special) loaded with target wadcutter rounds.
2a) if wadcutters don't work because the invaders are wearing body armor, the odds are you were screwed anyways.
2b) if you need more than six rounds, you've likely been invaded by the Russian Army and you were screwed anyways.
1) Entry teams down here have the lead equipped with a short shotgun firing breaching rounds or buckshot. The pistol is a secondary weapon. Also, it has been proven that "getting the weapon ripped from your hands" is a very very unlikely possibility.
2) Wadcutters are more likely to overpenetrate and go through typical modern house construction materials than hollowpoints. In addition, wadcutters will often punch right through a human and fail to create a large permanent wound channel OR transfer much energy.
2a) Though still small, a growing percentage of crooks are using armor. This is why having a weapon that either carries enough kinetic energy to physically stun or damage the opponent through his armor (shotgun) or can be rapidly retargeted and refired as needed is important (pistol and Mozambique drill).
2b) If there are three attackers, you need more than six rounds. Unless you can guarantee you won't ever miss, which even Carlos Hathcock couldn't. And as Katrina and the LA Riots proved, sometimes you need a LOT more rounds than six in your gun.
^ Err...thanks for that, I guess. :?
I've seen the kind of people who buy Desert Eagles, most of the time they have a hard time hitting a 1 yard square target at a 15 yard range.
I blame Counterstrike.
Since things are kind of drifting off topic anyway , maybe you guys could give me a little gun advice. Some time in the next few months I'd like to get a handgun, and I was thinking that a simple revolver would be a good place to start. I don't want a "hand cannon", maybe something like a .38 or .357? Any advice on makes, models, what to look for etc etc would be greatly appreciated.
Since things are kind of drifting off topic anyway , maybe you guys could give me a little gun advice. Some time in the next few months I'd like to get a handgun, and I was thinking that a simple revolver would be a good place to start. I don't want a "hand cannon", maybe something like a .38 or .357? Any advice on makes, models, what to look for etc etc would be greatly appreciated.