Hibbleton
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War is so F*cked up that even dogs are coming back traumatized.
I have a soft spot for dogs so I find this sad...
Sad, but far from the saddest thing that's happened in that war.
War, even when well-intentioned, is so fucking pointless and ruins so many lives. I honestly can't think of a war since WWII where I can say that the war made things better than they were before the war. And no, I'm no hippie, just an increasingly-cynical guy.
The Gulf War
The Gulf War
The whole "war is bad" attitude is more a product of Judeo-Christian religion and Greek philosophy than anything else. Peace being preferred over war is a specific development of our culture, not a constant across all cultures.
I can understand where you're coming from. Especially considering that in the last century Europe was utterly ravaged by war while the US was relatively safe and sound. But knowing people who have been to war, both in my own generation and older generations, I wouldn't wish it on anyone who doesn't make the choice to serve.Reading stuff in threads like this, I really get the wish for some people here on this forum to be drafted for a war and then come back traumatized...
Just to add personal experience to all the bullshit they're talking.
The current generation should be glad, and I mean "falling to their knees and thank God" glad, that they are the first generation in history, which grows up without being affected by a major war and its repercussions.
Iraque and Afghanistan aren't really wars, mind you. That's just daily routine of an occupying force in a foreign country.
Labeling something a "war" or "security risk" just makes it easier for republicans to get their heads around. Labeling something as such allows you to get away with a lot more than you'd be able to otherwise.MacGuffin said:I always laugh, when commentators refer to ghettos in big cities as a "war zone", just because a bunch of guys is running around with guns and occasionally shoot someone. That's no war zone, that's trifles. Even 9/11 was trifles, compared to what's happening in a real war. It was terrible but put into perspective, it really wasn't that a big deal. The CIA was responsible for more deaths in the first few years of its existance -- in times of peace of course.
Wars are never useful or necessary. They have never been. Be glad that you probably won't experience one in your lifetimes.
But occasionally, just occasionally, a war prevents a greater evil. WWII is the prime example in recent history. Hitler had to be stopped, and all attempts from within to stop him had failed. It took external force, aka war, to stop him and his maniacal plan. As a Jew, I'm glad that war happened.
While I of course agree that it was a good thing Nazi Germany was defeated in WWII, I somehow think (perhaps I'm just too tired) that your reasoning there doesn't acknowledge the fact that the Nazis started WWII. It wasn't like any of the allied countries chose to intervene because there was something wrong inside Germany.But occasionally, just occasionally, a war prevents a greater evil. WWII is the prime example in recent history. Hitler had to be stopped, and all attempts from within to stop him had failed. It took external force, aka war, to stop him and his maniacal plan. As a Jew, I'm glad that war happened.
While I of course agree that it was a good thing Nazi Germany was defeated in WWII, I somehow think (perhaps I'm just too tired) that your reasoning there doesn't acknowledge the fact that the Nazis started WWII. It wasn't like any of the allied countries chose to intervene because there was something wrong inside Germany.
This statement has no context. At all.The whole "war is bad" attitude is more a product of Judeo-Christian religion and Greek philosophy than anything else. Peace being preferred over war is a specific development of our culture, not a constant across all cultures.
But I think it is also fact that there are situations in which the consequences of doing nothing would be far worse than military intervetion.
And even that is only if you're lucky. Who knows what would've happened to the Iraq in recent years.Yes but the bitch of it is, that you only know for sure in hindsight.
What? Just because there's not an active thread about Pakistan on finalgear doesn't mean that no one in the western world cares about Pakistan. There are new AP articles out everyday regarding any number of things affecting Pakistan; especially since the flooding started. Nevermind all the independent content generated.So there is news about a dog who is traumatised from the war ( i feel very very sad for her as I love animals and especially dogs very much) but where is the news of my fellow country people losing their children, husbands, wives, mother, father, brother, sister and other relatives and being left traumatised for their whole life?
What has these two wars brought America? Oil filled wells? What has been achieved in Afghanistan so far? What's the fault of Pakistani people in all this?
More precisely, what is the fauly of my family in this?