BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

The Resolution Foundation study said the freeze on benefits and rising inflation could mean the bottom third of earners seeing their incomes fall.

The findings of the study are echoed in the Treasury's own "distributional analysis" which looks at the impact of tax, welfare and public spending pledges contained in the Autumn Statement.

Those charts say that the bottom 30% of earners are likely to be worse off.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38089190

The head of Britain's economic watchdog has defended its forecasts warning of the cost to Britain of leaving the EU.

The Office for Budget Responsibility infuriated pro-Brexit Tories with its prediction that withdrawal would wipe 2.4% off growth over the next five years while adding ?60bn to borrowing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38107135

The outlook for wages is "dreadful" with the squeeze on pay lasting for more than 10 years, independent economists have said.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said workers would earn less in real wages in 2021 than they did in 2008.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38090977

During Wednesday's Autumn Statement, Mr Hammond's first since becoming chancellor, he told MPs the UK's deficit would no longer be cleared by 2020.

And the OBR estimated the government would have to borrow ?122bn more than forecast in March's Budget, with the referendum result accounting for ?58.7bn of this.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38087110
 
Yup and that is, you have to keep in mind, before Britain even officially requested to leave the EU.
 
It's also still just a forecast...

I'll happily jump aboard in bashing the Brexit decision as stupid and irresponsible, but I'm also not a fan of the outcome for the British people. So, if it does come even worse, crap. I don't think it'll help anyone, especially brexit supporters, in getting a different view of the world - or them somehow "learning their lesson". If anything, I think it'll make the anti-EU movement even more aggressive... :(
 
No argueing there.
 
What's the model? Have cake and eat it.

Secret memo suggests Britain unlikely to stay in single market

Memo suggests Government will pursue 'Canada plus' deal but securing agreement on services will be 'difficult'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-aide-just-give-away-9353756

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cess-secret-memo-theresa-may-eu-a7444306.html

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BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

And so it begins.

To make it clear what lies ahead: The UK and the EU now have 24 months to renegotiate more than twenty thousand regulations of the past 46 years.

That means they need to agree on about 40 items per day (!) to keep the deadline.

If the 24 months pass without a mutual agreement, all 28 EU member states have to agree to prolong the negotiations - which is highly unlikely.

If the talks fail, there will be a hard Brexit, means Britain is out of everything from one day to the other without any regulations.

Britain even has to renegotiate their WTO membership, if that happens.

So... stockpile the popcorn
 
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At this point I'm in the "fuck 'em" mode. This was largely voted by older people who will not have to deal with the results in the long term, and those who will, voted largely to remain. They forgot it was not a legally binding referendum and if they made enough noise they could have forced a stay. I truly hope Scotland and Ireland hold their own referendums, maybe finally reuniting Ireland as a whole, and a free Scotland.

Good riddance England.
 
I expect the Brexiteers are going to fail abysmally at negotiating the "best possible deal" for Middle England and then blame the EU for "punishing Britain". :rolleyes:
 
March 29, 2017 05:47 PM

As of Wednesday, the countdown to Brexit has begun. Negotiations between the European Union and the United Kingdom must be completed within two years from today - and there are a huge number of issues, laws, formalities and regulations to be discussed and resolved. It won't be easy.

For those of us on the outside, however, things aren't likely to change much for the next two years, giving us a bit of time to enjoy a few of those things that are almost certain to change once Brexit is finalized. The following is a (partial) list of things you might consider enjoying one last time before the United Kingdom is no longer part of a united Europe.

Take Advantage of Short Lines on Weekend Trips to London

Many Germans have become used to taking a periodic weekend trip to London. Passports, of course, are a must, since Britain never joined the Schengen border-free travel area. And even today, the British national sport of queueing is on full display at Heathrow and Gatwick. But travelers from the European Union nevertheless enjoy advantages relative to those from elsewhere.

But those benefits are likely going to disappear. One of the main promises made by the Brexiteers, after all, is that of "taking back control of our borders." That could mean that EU citizens will become subject to stricter identity controls pursuant to a so-called "hard border." The British government estimates the average waiting time for such controls at 45 minutes. Currently, EU citizens must wait an average of 25 minutes. The Airport Operators Association has said it is "highly concerned" about the potential impact Brexit could have on waiting times.

Get Married to Stay Together

In the mid-1960s, the Beatles penned the song "Michelle, Ma Belle," a declaration of love to a fictitious French woman. In the future, though, relationships with foreign partners might become a bit more complicated. Depending on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations, EU citizens may not have automatic residency rights in the United Kingdom - and vice versa.

One potential solution for couples is to get married, so that the foreign partner gets citizenship. But British authorities might take a close look at such an arrangement: Marriages of convenience organized by criminals are considered a significant problem in Britain. In response, state inspectors make frequent visits to newlyweds.

Enjoy Real Cornish Pastries and N?rnberger Sausage

N?rnberger sausage from Newcastle, parmesan cheese from Portsmouth: Those are just two labeling shams that could result from Brexit. Once Britain is no longer part of the EU, it may choose to discard the EU system of protecting regional and traditional food names (known as "protected geographical indication").

Several manufacturers in the UK are likewise concerned about losing such protections. Producers of Cornish pastries, for example, are opposed to Brexit for that reason and are demanding that protections remain in place even after Britain is on its own. It remains to be seen whether they will be successful. Nick Clegg, the former deputy prime minister, warned against the danger last November, saying that specialties like Melton Mowbray pork pies or Stilton cheese could be copied in other EU countries.

Enjoy a Semester Abroad


For many young Europeans, a highlight of their university studies is spending one or two semesters at a foreign university. Such exchanges are made possible by the European Union's Erasmus Program, which has been supporting them for 30 years. Brexit calls British participation in the program into question. In 2014, the EU excluded Switzerland from Erasmus following the adoption of the "mass immigration initiative," which limited the freedom of EU citizens to settle in the country.

Brexit is also a problem for the 16,000 German students currently studying at British universities. Thus far, they have only had to pay the same tuition rates as locals. In the future, however, the much higher tuitions charged to non-EU foreigners could apply to European students as well.

Pay Your Hospital Bill with Your Card

A stay in the hospital is not usually a vacation highlight. But the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) at least makes it easier for those living in the European Union. It guarantees the free choice of doctors and treatment conditions equal to those enjoyed by locals. Often that means that patients don't have to pay a thing.

The British may soon lose this privilege. But the Guardian recently sought to encourage its readers with a bit of humor: "If you have not been lucky enough to fall ill while visiting Europe with an EHIC in the past, there are still plenty of simple ways to hospitalize yourself during a future visit to, say, Ibiza, Amsterdam or Ayia Napa."

Enjoy Agricultural Subsidies One Last Time

Among other things, the EU is a gigantic redistribution machine. The contributions paid in by member states help fund billion-euro subsidy programs for farmers, researchers and structurally weak regions. One can certainly doubt the efficiency of such programs. But one thing is certain: Britain, too, has been a beneficiary for decades. According to the British Treasury, the country receives 4 billion pounds each year from Brussels.

Prior to the Brexit referendum, those in favor of leaving the EU promised that the discontinuation of the subsidies would be compensated for. Now, though, such promises sound a bit less generous. Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said last year that London would replace the shortfall only until 2020. Given that the Brexit negotiations will last for two years, the government has only pledged to cover the expenses for two years.

Eat Regular Sized Bars of Chocolate


Many British chocoholics have already felt the impact of Brexit: First, Mondelez reduced the number of triangles in its Toblerone bars sold in the UK. And now, the size Cadbury chocolates, likewise produced by Mondelez, might be reduced as well.

What might initially seem like a rather bizarre decision is actually indicative of a significant problem facing British food producers. Because the British pound has lost significant value as a result of the decision to leave the EU, the purchase of ingredients abroad, such as cocoa, has become more expensive. Producer Unilever apparently tried already to pass along the costs to Tesco, but the supermarket chain refused to go along - resulting in the temporary unavailability of the beloved spread Marmite.

Apply for a New Passport

Not a few British would like to retain their EU privileges beyond Brexit - and are thus applying for citizenship in other EU countries. In Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt alone, the number of applications have climbed within a year from 79 to 480, according to a survey undertaken by the daily Die Welt. Germany-wide numbers will only be available mid-year. The increase became particularly noticeable following the referendum on June 23, 2016.

By applying before Britain officially leaves the European Union, applicants are ensured the ability to retain dual citizenship in Germany. In contrast to people from non-EU countries, European Union citizens are allowed to retain their citizenship in their home country.

The trend is also true on the other end. The number of applications for permanent residency in Britain has almost tripled since the Brexit referendum, relative to the previous year. But those interested in doing so don't have an easy time of it: The application is fully 85 pages long.

Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international...ngs-to-do-before-the-uk-is-out-a-1141022.html
 
This is a much more accurate cartoon of the situation:

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To save time they'll have to copy all their fav EU laws into UK laws.

Then the immigration issue is probably going to require an identity card....
 
You already need a passport to go to the UK even if you're an EU member. They're not in the Schroedinger area, you must present a passport when entering, and are required to decide if the cat is dead or alive.
 
Taking a passport is more practical though nowadays, as it allows you to use the unmanned gates. I guess this will be over as well with brexit, as they are for eu/eea citizens only, and the UK is apparently not planning on being a member of either of those.

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I expect the Brexiteers are going to fail abysmally at negotiating the "best possible deal" for Middle England and then blame the EU for "punishing Britain". :rolleyes:

Yes, definitely.

The tabloids, lead by the infamous Daily Mail, will see to that. After all, that's what they've been doing for decades: Blaming the EU for absolutely everything that's going wrong in Britain.

And they did it with the toleration of the politicians because let's be honest: If you have such a great scapegoat to put the blame on for your own failures, who wouldn't gladly make use of it?

And so the British public has been brainwashed for decades into believing that the EU is an evil behemoth that wants to eat British children.

So of course this will continue and i strongly believe that the current British government only acts so sloppy and amateurish because they know they can blame the EU for everything anyway - and the British public will buy it.
 
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