BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

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A friend just commented on Facebook about this Brexit issue, and his opinion clashes head-on with mine.
His political views on local issues are also completely different than mine. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Wait, so if the UK is not part of the EU they end up in a war? What if the Netherlands leave, do we end up in war? How about the EU being morons and trying to seize the Ukraine, how does that affect any possible wars?

Last time I checked, it was Russia who actually literally invaded the Ukraine. As in, Russian troops entered another sovereign nation and annexed part of its territory.
 
And then lets talk about the countries that should never have been part of the Euro, all those who's economy simply can't keep up with Germany etc and that normally rectify this issue by devaluating. And are now pretty much bankrupt because they can't, being part of the euro.

Who's brilliant idea was it to get thee countries into the EU and can they be held accountable for their terrible decisions? A lean & mean EU would have been great: UK, Denmark, Sweden perhaps, Germany, Netherlands. And then the lebensraum politicians took control and messed it up.
 
Ah yes, MacGuffin defaulting to personal insults - how predictable.

"You are an idiot" = personal insult.

"People are idiots" = life experience.

I feel very comfortable in the company of Albert Einstein, who said there are only two infinite things: The universe and the stupidity of people... but he wasn't so sure about the universe.
 
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Last time I checked, it was Russia who actually literally invaded the Ukraine. As in, Russian troops entered another sovereign nation and annexed part of its territory.


Russia has ALWAYS dabbled in there but they let it be, as a sort of no man's land. Something that is needed to keep the hotheads on both sides in check. The second either side grabs it the other side panics. So the EU orchestrated a coup, got some rightwing nutters in control (for lack of anything better) and now we're militarizing that whole zone because Putin is evil (ie, is pissed because the EU seized the no man's zone).
 
Russia has ALWAYS dabbled in there but they let it be, as a sort of no man's land. Something that is needed to keep the hotheads on both sides in check. The second either side grabs it the other side panics. So the EU orchestrated a coup, got some rightwing nutters in control (for lack of anything better) and now we're militarizing that whole zone because Putin is evil (ie, is pissed because the EU seized the no man's zone).


.......... what?

Can I please get the name of your dealer? That's some good shit you're smoking.
 
Since the 90s they sortof let it be, they didn't do that officially (to save face and to not encourage others to do the same) but for the most part they let it slide if only to have some sort of no man's land between east and west. Then the EU tried to get Ukraine to join which in turn forced Russia to react because they didn't want to lose face or the Krim, important as it is.

Had the EU not done the "hey Ukraine, please join us it'll be fun" for all those years, trying to make it official, then it would have worked out fine for all sides including the Ukraine.
 
Wow, I'm honestly surprised at all the anger and vitriol being flung at Britain over this. And I thought the fear mongering before was bad!
 
And then lets talk about the countries that should never have been part of the Euro, all those who's economy simply can't keep up with Germany etc and that normally rectify this issue by devaluating. And are now pretty much bankrupt because they can't, being part of the euro.

Who's brilliant idea was it to get thee countries into the EU and can they be held accountable for their terrible decisions? A lean & mean EU would have been great: UK, Denmark, Sweden perhaps, Germany, Netherlands. And then the lebensraum politicians took control and messed it up.

All that would have created is an environment in which the rich get richer and the poor remain poor.

No, I'm not talking about redistribution of wealth or socialism. The biggest benefit of the EU are the trade and tax agreements, which create an equal and level playfield for all member countries, and in turn foster a...gasp...free market.
 
All that would have created is an environment in which the rich get richer and the poor remain poor.

No, I'm not talking about redistribution of wealth or socialism. The biggest benefit of the EU are the trade and tax agreements, which create an equal and level playfield for all member countries, and in turn foster a...gasp...free market.

So how have the poor done in those countries, how high is their unemployment atm? Look at what's happened to Greece, look at Spain, ffs look at France.
 
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Spain should now invade Gibraltar, take it, and now if the UK wants to put up a fight it'll be against the whole of the EU, then we'll have the war Tzarrim so much wants!




disclaimer: Im absolutely kidding.

I read the disclaimer, but just to clarify we have left the EU, not NATO. If Spain invaded Gib then as well as getting it's arse handed to it by the UK, NATO would be supporting us, not Spain.
 
Then the EU tried to get Ukraine to join which in turn forced Russia to react because they didn't want to lose face or the Krim, important as it is.

What you call "save face" there, the rest of us call it unnecessary aggression towards a country trying to fight for self determination. The very thing you're praising the UK for.

So how have the poor done in those countries, how high is their unemployment atm? Look at what's happened to Greece, look at Spain, ffs look at France.

Having lived in one of those "poor countries" and having suffered the consequences of badly run economies, I must say, in this case, and despite what everyone says about european bureaucracy, not enough oversight from the EU, regarding the cash injections they provided for Portugal and other places to "modernize".
Instead of grabbing that cash and making the country competitive and making it grow economically, to have a good base to improve the quality of life later in a sustainable manner (with a renewed economy/industry providing the foundations in terms of income and taxes), they went straight for the well being of the people. Bunch of projects involving huge sums of money which generate none: public and free highways, public and free hospitals, more schools, funding of universities and even private schools (yes, private schools receive public funds in Portugal).

The EU gave Portugal the freedom to choose where to invest this money, and now all the bills came back, the highways are the highest tolled in Europe, hospitals are closing left right and center, schools too, etc. The 2008 crisis was the tipping point, but it was all set to fail anyway, we call it the period of the fat cows because everyone just assumed the money would keep coming and got careless.
When your leaders are morons, more autonomy is not always a good thing.
 
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So the EU is good because they gave you money. That money came from us and apparently it was spent in a bad way.
 
Sorry if I missed this somewhere in this thread, but I'm surprised that this could pass on a simple majority. Seems like something this important should be at least a 2/3 or 3/4 majority...

Ironic isn't it that the actions of 52% of our populated have probably ruined the lives of the other 48% - predominantly racists,the anti establishment, old people and the uneducated vote to leave, and some are already regretting that decision now the reality is hitting home today..


https://amp.twimg.com/v/7b0bb47f-6655-435a-8906-99529534de58

In act even farage wanted a second referendum in the event of a narrow win (a month ago he says this): http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...cond-referendum-7985017#ICID=sharebar_twitter
 
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Ironic isn't it that the actions of 52% of our populated have probably ruined the lives of the other 48%
Even less. It was 52% of 72% of people eligible to vote - so about 37% of Britons not even counting the children, who have to live longest with the result.
 
Yeah, what can I say?

It's no coincidence that most non-populistic experts think a plebiscite is a bad idea when it comes to such crucial decisions. Many don't know what they actually vote for and when they realize it, it's mostly too late.

The whole vote was a crazy idea from the beginning and the name of David Cameron will be connected forever with the Brexit (which he didn't want at all). It's also the failure of a prime minister who unterestimated the chances of losing in a gamble. Some commentators here call him reckless and irresponsible for what he did -- not because he wanted the best for his country but to secure is political career. Yeah, that worked well...
 
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